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The Hundred 2023

Yes, you can ignore the wage bill, because ‘The Blast’ doesn’t pay the players wagers…. The 16.4 does though.

I wasn’t putting that up as an argument for the Hundred as the solution. But as an argument for those who are in denial that there was a problem. There is. It is that county cricket dues not attract enough spectator revenue (bums on seats and eyes in the goggle box) to come close to sustaining the full time professional structure it currently has. It heamorrhages money. That question remains needful of an answer whatever format you have and whether there are games at CLS or not.

The domestic structure in this country is entirely propped up by the bit that makes money. It’s legitimate to ask whether it is fit for purpose. And whether propping it up in its current form is the best use for the game as a whole of all that funding.

I want the following, in this order:
For cricket to prosper in England and in the North East (and as someone still involved in the recreational game, it’s on the bones of its arse at the moment);
As a county fan for half a century at least to preserve the framework of the county structure if possible;
And finally, ideally to include Durham in that.

But in that order. If the feelings of entitlement in those with an interest in the current structure resists change to the point where the first is under threat, and I think they do, I’ll see the second and third go if they must.

The Blast attendances were (and generally have always been) fantastic, so that is a lie.
They’re good by cricket’s standards. But as the best county attendances, and so amounting to most of the gate receipts for each club, seven games with high four figures paying what they’re paying and no real tv interest doesn’t come close to covering that wage bill.
 
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I wasn’t putting that up as an argument for the Hundred as the solution. But as an argument for those who are in denial that there was a problem. There is.

Who are these people that are in denial? I think most people appreciate a need for greater revenues and better management of loss.

It is that county cricket dues not attract enough spectator revenue (bums on seats and e yes in the goggle box) to come close to sustaining the full time professional structure it currently has. It heamorrhages money. That question remains needful of an answer whatever format you have and whether there are games at CLS or not.

If it were given the best chance to attract those bums, because currently it isn’t being - FTECB are actively scheming against it - then we could have a discussion about that. That’s before you highlight the fact that most sports can no longer operate solely on ticket receipts. It isn’t an issue that is exclusive to cricket.

The domestic structure in this country is entirely propped up by the bit that makes money. It’s legitimate to ask whether it is fit for purpose. And whether propping it up in its current form is the best use for the game as a whole of all that funding.

As above.

I want the following, in this order:
For cricket to prosper in England and in the North East (and as someone still involved in the recreational game, it’s on the bones of its arse at the moment);
As a county fan for half a century at least to preserve the framework of the county structure if possible;
And finally, ideally to include Durham in that.

We want the same thing, but you have to appreciate that the dwindling numbers in terms of participation at grassroots is not the fault of county cricket. It never was. It’s also another thing that is not exclusive to cricket. It’s far more a sign of the times, I’ve been involved in the governance of local football for about 20 years now and I can categorically say from my own experience that the same issues are occurring. Participation is dwindling and the reasons for it (like with cricket) are far more of a socioeconomic nature than anything else. In other words - sign of the times, ‘the yoof’ aren’t as interested now as what we were…..

But in that order. If the feelings of entitlement in those with an interest in the current structure resists change to the point where the first is under threat, and I think they do, I’ll see the second and third go if they must.

To suggest it is ‘feelings of entitlement’ from those wanting to protect and futureproof domestic cricket is very unfair. In fact, I find it downright offensive to be frank.

Just about every single thing the ‘feelings of entitlement’ lot predicted would happen with this competition has come to fruition. And the only reasons that people like that were concerned in the first place was because they had the very fabric and future of the game at heart when they sought to protect it.

I’ll ask you the same as what I asked the Voice of Lunacy because I know he won’t have the stones to admit to the answer:

How many players from the NE played for England before 1992?

How many have played after?

If the 16.4 succeeds it will kill Durham CCC and several other counties. Is that really good for NE cricket? Is it really good for English cricket?

Without Ben Stokes and Paul Collingwood we still wouldn’t have won a World Cup.

They’re good by cricket’s standards. But as the best county attendances, and so amounting to most of the gate receipts for each club, seven games with high four figures paying what they’re paying and no real tv interest doesn’t come close to covering that wage bill.

‘No real TV interest’? Stick the Blast on the BBC. Give the counties the opportunity that they haven’t yet been afforded at the expense of the Popchip Unicorn and then we can talk.
 
The Blast doesn’t make money in a meaningful sense that a spectator sport needs to. It shows an operating surplus over its on the day marginal costs. If you ignore minor details like the wage bill. But no county comes close to delivering a profit on its cricketing operations alone. No county comes close to covering its wage bill and all its other operating costs through its match operations. Surrey showed a profit last year if you include the test match revenue. Lancashire get close with the hotel and conference income. The rest are totally insolvent. Even with the Blast.
It does and it did. Difficult to separate now that's its mixed into the season, but when it was a stand alone tournament it was very successful.

I think that's what most of us who love the sport can't understand. We were saying for years that the Blast should return to a stand alone tournament, we were told that it couldn't and there was little interest from broadcasters. A claim that they quickly had to row back after the broadcasters said WTF????

The 16.4 is exactly what most of us wanted except with 10 less teams and with a format that is, frankly, a joke. The only problem the ECB had with the Blast is that the ECB didn't control the teams, and that's why the 16.4 exists.

Apart from travelling on the Manchester Doritos team coach occasionally, there's not a single positive from this farce.
 
Getting back to the matches… last night was a brilliant bowling display. Jordan repeatedly smashing the stumps was satisfying to watch.

The Currans were both excellent. Two big mistakes from the Brave - bringing in Tim David too late, behind Ackermann? And not reviewing the TCurran edge that would likely have seen them post 10+ runs less.

Zampa is just pure class, so good in short format.
 
Whenever you switch onto County Cricket, there’s barely anyone there.

They’re trying to revolutionise cricket with The Hundred, bring in a new audience, not just fill seats now but get them hooked so they’re there, with friends and family, in 10 years.

County red ball cricket will be a thing of the past in the coming years, it’s just not sustainable and the world has moved on from slow cricket/sports in general, people want quick entertainment and the ECB are trying to move with the times. Red ball cricket will be solely for major internationals before long.
I've sat in crowds on over 10,000 in the county championship.

They aren't revolutionising anything, they are rehashing the short format but with less teams. Overall, less people through the doors than the Blast. You aren't attracting a new audience, you're pushing the existing one away.

Cricket was sustainable, the sport had cash reserves of £50m+. All gone now.

Needless vandalism of our sport.
 
Me neither, but that poster is known to tell lies in order to slavishly promote the 16.4.


Yeah, who’d have thought thousands of people would want to ‘twist and twist’ at the thought that their beloved club might wither and die because FTECB will it to happen. Imagine if the FA decided that the Championship was to suddenly become a 10 team league and the other 14 clubs (including SAFC) were forced to give up all their best players for zero financial reward and made to play (with what’s left) in a quasi-reserve league.


You’ll be able to provide quotes then, won’t you….?


Yes, you can ignore the wage bill, because ‘The Blast’ doesn’t pay the players wagers…. The 16.4 does though.


The Blast attendances were (and generally have always been) fantastic, so that is a lie.



You do realise folk have been saying that for over a hundred years :lol:
Firstly mate @The Rey has said several times he prefers and quote ‘proper cricket over Bazball’ most of them on the ashes threads during the first test if you want to go trough those threads feel free, as I have not got the time and besides it’s not about winning arguments for me never has been it’s been allowed to express your genuine views on a message board it’s not something I would make up.

Secondly I am going to try and be civil again and hopefully draw a line under this.

Firstly of all I totally respect your view as a clear passionate fan of Durham cricket club and county cricket you will defend to the hilt anything that jeopardizes or risks that, totally get that and the fact you genuinely passionate in your view.

However there is no doubt in my mind I am genuinely passionate in mine,which is to try and increase participation at ground and club level which I think is needed for the longevity of the game.

I genuinely believe a short format tournament in the school holidays in a kind of English Premier League which is fast paced, colorful, where each game is an event in itself and on telly every night and spread more geographically, during that period has a hell of a lot more chance of achieving that objective than county championship games during the period.

I don’t believe that is a outlandish view in the slightest just common sense.

Like I say to try and draw a line under this debate that I feel we have been having this jack was a lad

I do respect your view as a loyal follower of county cricket and do get where you coming from just fundamentally disagree that is the best way to get new fans and new participants in the game we both love.

And that is absolutely the priority for me if that ok

It’s totally best we accept we absolutely miles apart on this issue and move on??
@Voice of fair play Both wanting an Originals win then? I have Superchargers as well (free bet), but I think I’d rather see Originals in the play offs and Invincibles automatic.
Yeah defo mate and Manchester v Oval final would be perfect for my two bets.

Looks like the oval team could be straight through to the final unless very strange run of results
 
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It does and it did. Difficult to separate now that's its mixed into the season, but when it was a stand alone tournament it was very successful.
Not by the criterion you should set, which is the one that matters if you’re to argue the cricket operation is profitable. It makes a marginal cost surplus. It doesn’t cover a proportion of its share of the fixed costs of the cricketing operation and then some to leave a profit.

Blast attendances are 60-70% of total for most counties. If gate receipts and revenue for those games and an appropriate share of commercial don’t cover 60-70% of operating costs, and in particular wages, and they don’t by a long chalk (except just about, pre-Covid, for Surrey) as the openly published annual accounts of the counties make clear, then there’s no profit in the real sense. Just a smaller loss than the Championship.
 
Getting back to the matches… last night was a brilliant bowling display. Jordan repeatedly smashing the stumps was satisfying to watch.

The Currans were both excellent. Two big mistakes from the Brave - bringing in Tim David too late, behind Ackermann? And not reviewing the TCurran edge that would likely have seen them post 10+ runs less.

Zampa is just pure class, so good in short format.
Yeah the oval team looked in massive trouble during their innings great bowling display to defend the total and another very good game to watch throughly enjoyed it
 
Scrap the 16.4 and put some Blast games on BBC including finals day.

It really is that simple.
yes it is

and eventually they will

but they've bet the house on the nonsense and it's only when the bailiffs come round for the car as well that they'll do what they should have done from the off
 
Yeah we’re all swimming against the tide. I’m not involved in football having been utterly crap at it even when I didn’t weigh three stone too much and have no knees. But even though that is supposed to be booming, most of the pitches in my old home town, that in my youth would be full of kids games every Saturday morning and men’s every Saturday afternoon and Sunday morning are barely used today. Except as dog toilets. Or housing.

I was asked a specific question on NE cricketers with test caps and I wouldn’t know where to start the research to answer it. So I’ll duck it not through lack of cohones but through lack of knowledge. While accepting that the gut feel is fewer back then.

That said, the fact you mention Stokes is telling. He’s a kiwi who grew up in Cumberland, not a North Easterner. He wasn’t lost to cricket because Cumberland didn’t play first class. Doesn’t even in fact have its own single county board anymore. England have had plenty of other players born in what we used to call Minor Counties including some if their greatest. So even that is not black and white.
 
Scrap the 16.4 and put some Blast games on BBC including finals day.

It really is that simple.
@Voice of fair play @PeteFTM

Definitely all it needed.

As @Steak Pie has said £50mil wasted on a competition that didn't even need to be created.

I see no difference between the hundred and other franchise cricket than I do the super league in football.

We've let the foxes in the chicken coop and it's only a matter of time before cricket kills itself. The sport may still exist but I'll not be bothering if there is no meaningful test cricket or ODI world cup.
 
Looking forward to the early game, Superchargers need to go for it, they looked like they were holding back, not pushing twos which I find lazy and frustrating to watch. When there’s 100 balls you need to be legging it as soon as there’s a run on.
 
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