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England & Aus docked points

Dexter said:
I’m sorry like but that is absolutely ridiculous. Yes over rates need to improve but it’s a lot different in England trying to get 90 overs in a day when you’ve got DRS, ball changes and whatever else along with spin barely playing a part most of the time. Then you have bowlers with huge run ups like Starc and Wood bowling their knackers off so of course it’s going to take a while to get through the overs sometimes.

The WTC final is going to be between India and Pakistan on the basis of them bowling 80 overs of spin every home series they play.
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Hettonlass said:
I read it on here that Aussies were the time wasters not bowling there overs, but in fact it was England in 4 games :eek:
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It’s probably mentioned later in this thread but you only get fined / deducted if you are bowling for mitre than 80 overs and England often declared or were bowled out before then. Both teams were as bad as each other.
 
Pointless and impossible to follow competition, which is weighted to have India in the final no matter what

To be honest, I couldn’t care less and that’s my contribution to this one finished
 
Dexter said:
I’m sorry like but that is absolutely ridiculous. Yes over rates need to improve but it’s a lot different in England trying to get 90 overs in a day when you’ve got DRS, ball changes and whatever else along with spin barely playing a part most of the time. Then you have bowlers with huge run ups like Starc and Wood bowling their knackers off so of course it’s going to take a while to get through the overs sometimes.
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I’m not having that excuse at all, County cricketers get 96 overs in no bother, inside the 6 hours and 30 minutes they have the Test players out there for.
hudson88 said:
Whilst I agree something needed (and still needs) to be done, this is bollocks.

The over rate penalty only affects innings over 80 overs - England were usually bowled out by that point, or of course declaring. Yet the Aussies were still well behind the over rate, so have basically got off lighter due to Englands positive (and riskier) batting.
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As I understand it, the over rate calculation is judged at the end of the match as a combined figure - so it is over two innings’ worth of bowling.
Wayne The Punk said:
Why not just make them bowl 90 overs a day regardless of how long it takes?
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This.
 
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Sky schedules I can’t understand as the have a standalone cricket channel

it’s an absolute farce when they walk off in sunshine with overs not bowled

and it’s about time they did away with bad light unless there are no floodlights at the ground
 
brandon said:
I’m not having that excuse at all, County cricketers get 96 overs in no bother, inside the 6 hours and 30 minutes they have the Test players out there for.


As I understand it, the over rate calculation is judged at the end of the match as a combined figure - so it is over two innings’ worth of bowling.


This.
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Aye I read something after saying it’s something to do with 160 overs.

Nasser Hussain has said basically they should bowl 30 overs per session. If they don’t, take it out of their lunch / tea
 
brandon said:
I’m not having that excuse at all, County cricketers get 96 overs in no bother, inside the 6 hours and 30 minutes they have the Test players out there for.


As I understand it, the over rate calculation is judged at the end of the match as a combined figure - so it is over two innings’ worth of bowling.


This.
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Bit different when you’ve got a load of county trundlers trotting in off about 8 paces in a low stakes match.
 
Dexter said:
Bit different when you’ve got a load of county trundlers trotting in off about 8 paces in a low stakes match.
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‘County trundlers’ don’t trot in off 8 paces though. Invariably, they bowl as quickly and off the same length of run up as the Test team. Woakes played Championship cricket this season, on top of this, every Test bowler we have started in the Championship. Unless you think that upon receiving their England cap they are advised to add 10 paces to their run ups?

It’s a nonsense argument.
 
There are a myriad of things that slow the game down and I fully accept that, however my over-riding impression of England in the field is of a complete lack of any sense of urgency most of the time. If there's a rain delay they add time on at the end of the day's play, so I see no reason why the overs can't be added on

I confess to being completely baffled by the argument that people who've paid 100 quid (or maybe even more) might complain that ensuring there are 90 overs of play in the day could prevent them from getting home in time for their tea
 
How did slow over rates adversely affect the series? None of the Ashes tests failed to reach a result. Even Old Trafford would have completed had the weather not intervened.

I'm all for getting the due amount of daily play, but perhaps the penalties should apply in drawn Tests with minimal weather interruptions only?

And while I'm on, penalize the shit-tip spinner friendly tracks that any country serves up. They deny vfm as much as slow over rates.
 
Mule said:
How did slow over rates adversely affect the series? None of the Ashes tests failed to reach a result. Even Old Trafford would have completed had the weather not intervened.

I'm all for getting the due amount of daily play, but perhaps the penalties should apply in drawn Tests with minimal weather interruptions only?

And while I'm on, penalize the shit-tip spinner friendly tracks that any country serves up. They deny vfm as much as slow over rates.
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What about the fans who get short changed?
 
chunkyshitehawk53 said:
What about the fans who get short changed?
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Do they get short changed if there is a win? The game is scheduled for 5 days. Enforcing 90 overs per day would short change those with tickets for day 5 in those circumstances. Is that fair?

I'm happy to penalize where no team wins, but it seems pointless when one does. If penalties only come into play after 80 overs, why not extend the exemption to draws?

If we a serious about gripping the problem, Australia should have had the same punishment as England. They were both just above 12 per hour. Giving them half the penalty is a joke.
 
Mule said:
How did slow over rates adversely affect the series? None of the Ashes tests failed to reach a result. Even Old Trafford would have completed had the weather not intervened.

I'm all for getting the due amount of daily play, but perhaps the penalties should apply in drawn Tests with minimal weather interruptions only?

And while I'm on, penalize the shit-tip spinner friendly tracks that any country serves up. They deny vfm as much as slow over rates.
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It’s about the paying customer for me, over the last few years test cricket has become extremely expensive to watch and at the very least fans should see the allocated overs for the money paid.

Your first point only did not happen because of Englands brilliant scoring rate, it’s entirely feasible the slow over rate could stop possible results.

They is no reasonable defense of it imo and surprised tbh some defending it
 
Mule said:
Do they get short changed if there is a win? The game is scheduled for 5 days. Enforcing 90 overs per day would short change those with tickets for day 5 in those circumstances. Is that fair?

I'm happy to penalize where no team wins, but it seems pointless when one does. If penalties only come into play after 80 overs, why not extend the exemption to draws?

If we a serious about gripping the problem, Australia should have had the same punishment as England. They were both just above 12 per hour. Giving them half the penalty is a joke.
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Yes. Most go for 1 day. If you go to day 1 and get 80 overs you haven’t seen a win
 
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