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5th test the oval


Ghfd said:
Agreed but a touch wider is his usual glide to third man. That was just cramping him to play the shot

he’s better than that and will be fuming until the second innings
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Yes he is.
I would go as far as to say ‘BazBall‘ has affected him more than other England batsmen.
 
FatDrummer said:
I do wonder at some of the pissy pants comments on this Cricket Board.

We are 18 months into England’s way of batting.
Why are people surprised at some of the dismissal?
It is the way we bat. In this case we are pushing on because of the weather forecast.
It is NOT surprising.
Sometimes (more often than not to be honest) we score shedloads.
Others we lose wickets.

I’ve gotten used to it. I might suggest that other’s do…..
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A little bit more concentration and we could have been leading this series. Some shots have been inexcusable
 
FatDrummer said:
I do wonder at some of the pissy pants comments on this Cricket Board.

We are 18 months into England’s way of batting.
Why are people surprised at some of the dismissal?
It is the way we bat. In this case we are pushing on because of the weather forecast.
It is NOT surprising.
Sometimes (more often than not to be honest) we score shedloads.
Others we lose wickets.

I’ve gotten used to it. I might suggest that other’s do…..
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Well exactly when they played exactly the same way last week, posters saying it was measured and not reckless.

Yet this test and others playing exactly the same way we reckless and getting out to shit shots!

I honestly think some posters want us to score quick runs and win games by not playing any shots!

Doesn’t work that way
 
FatDrummer said:
I do wonder at some of the pissy pants comments on this Cricket Board.

We are 18 months into England’s way of batting.
Why are people surprised at some of the dismissal?
It is the way we bat. In this case we are pushing on because of the weather forecast.
It is NOT surprising.
Sometimes (more often than not to be honest) we score shedloads.
Others we lose wickets.

I’ve gotten used to it. I might suggest that other’s do…..
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Is it not more to do with the fact that it's against the Aussies?

They're masters at the smug, fake humility. And you know they'll gloat, despite being tactically defensive, negative and reactive for the vast majority of this series so far.
 
FatDrummer said:
I do wonder at some of the pissy pants comments on this Cricket Board.

We are 18 months into England’s way of batting.
Why are people surprised at some of the dismissal?
It is the way we bat. In this case we are pushing on because of the weather forecast.
It is NOT surprising.
Sometimes (more often than not to be honest) we score shedloads.
Others we lose wickets.

I’ve gotten used to it. I might suggest that other’s do…..
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I'm not surprised but it doesn't make it right 100% of the time
 
forever changes said:
A little bit more concentration and we could have been leading this series. Some shots have been inexcusable
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Whole series it’s been like this. Just throwing the bat at things and praying. Only time it’s really worked was on the flattest pitch of the series at old Trafford. Then the usual people who enjoy that pitch are out for next to nothing again today once the pitch does a bit.

Good few batsmen in our side have no place in the test game
Voice of fair play said:
Well exactly when they played exactly the same way last week, posters saying it was measured and not reckless.

Yet this test and others playing exactly the same way we reckless and getting out to shit shots!

I honestly think some posters want us to score quick runs and win games by not playing any shots!

Doesn’t work that way
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Last week the pitch did nothing. Today it’s doing a fair bit. Can you not see the difference in the pitch or something? And therefore don’t you think a change in mentality to match is needed?
 
TravellingMackem said:
Whole series it’s been like this. Just throwing the bat at things and praying. Only time it’s really worked was on the flattest pitch of the series at old Trafford. Then the usual people who enjoy that pitch are out for next to nothing again today once the pitch does a bit.

Good few batsmen in our side have no place in the test game

Last week the pitch did nothing. Today it’s doing a fair bit. Can you not see the difference in the pitch or something? And therefore don’t you think a change in mentality to match is needed?
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Yeah that’s a fair point up to a point yeah

However if we had previous openers for example in the team they would have just scored slowly not took risks but got out anyway for less runs.

Used to happen test after test with old regime
 
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It’s more the fact they seem incapable of absorbing pressure you can’t tee off against quality bowling when the ball is moving.

Plus it highlights just how poor we where at Lords that first morning with even more helpfully conditions.
 
TravellingMackem said:
Whole series it’s been like this. Just throwing the bat at things and praying. Only time it’s really worked was on the flattest pitch of the series at old Trafford. Then the usual people who enjoy that pitch are out for next to nothing again today once the pitch does a bit.

Good few batsmen in our side have no place in the test game
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Which ones do you refer to?
Crawley maybe
Duckett averaging over 50 from his return
Root?
Brook averaging 70 or so in test match cricket
Stokes?
Bairstow?
Durham-Mackem41 said:
It’s more the fact they seem incapable of absorbing pressure you can’t tee off against quality bowling when the ball is moving.

Plus it highlights just how poor we where at Lords that first morning with even more helpfully conditions.
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It’s a hard game test match cricket especially against the best in the world. You would think we were getting hammered every game tbh
 
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FatDrummer said:
I do wonder at some of the pissy pants comments on this Cricket Board.

We are 18 months into England’s way of batting.
Why are people surprised at some of the dismissal?
It is the way we bat. In this case we are pushing on because of the weather forecast.
It is NOT surprising.
Sometimes (more often than not to be honest) we score shedloads.
Others we lose wickets.

I’ve gotten used to it. I might suggest that other’s do…..
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Honest answer, since the cricket moved to Sky, I ONLY watch the Ashes, and even then only when I get the chance.

So can only comment on what I've seen. Which is looking like losing wickets every over.
 
TravellingMackem said:
Whole series it’s been like this. Just throwing the bat at things and praying. Only time it’s really worked was on the flattest pitch of the series at old Trafford. Then the usual people who enjoy that pitch are out for next to nothing again today once the pitch does a bit.

Good few batsmen in our side have no place in the test game

Last week the pitch did nothing. Today it’s doing a fair bit. Can you not see the difference in the pitch or something? And therefore don’t you think a change in mentality to match is needed?
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As opposed to our previous test team who just got out and collapsed regularly losing 1 in 17 tests without playing any shots.

It is clear what works for this team and what doesn’t last 18 months proves it.
 
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rentaghost said:
Which ones do you refer to?
Crawley maybe
Duckett averaging over 50 from his return
Root?
Brook averaging 70 or so in test match cricket
Stokes?
Bairstow?

It’s a hard game test match cricket especially against the best in the world. You would think we were getting hammered every game tbh
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Crawley is absolutely woeful.

Duckett is fine in subcontential pitches but isn’t up to much in England, albeit probably our least worst option.

Root is just in bad form - that’s fine as he’s usually exceptional

Brook is just a flat track bully who can’t play a moving ball

Bairstows batting has been awful all series and his keeping is worse
 
Would it be the worst thing if they did get bowled out today? The weather looks horrendous over the weekend so a low scoring game may force a win . I think England will bowl well on this as well
 
Voice of fair play said:
As opposed to our previous test team who just got out and collapsed regularly losing 1 in 17 tests without playing any shots.

It is clear would works for this team last 18 months proves it
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Is the only option to play everything or play nothing? Is there no compromise possible depending on the pitch? No adaptation? Do we have to accept Sunderland being in the championship forever because 4 years ago we were in league one and therefore should be grateful?


Aussies were there to beat this series and we’ve fucked it up monumentally
 
TravellingMackem said:
Crawley is absolutely woeful.

Duckett is fine in subcontential pitches but isn’t up to much in England, albeit probably our least worst option.

Root is just in bad form - that’s fine as he’s usually exceptional

Brook is just a flat track bully who can’t play a moving ball

Bairstows batting has been awful all series and his keeping is worse
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Who are better?

Should we go back to Hameed and Sibley opening the batting?

The players you mentioned above who in this country is better?

Easy to pick holes harder to suggest alternatives
 
For the life of me , I don’t understand captains that leave a gap to third man , through the slips and it happens numerous times and then they don’t fill it and four runs are the result

all captains do this and I can remember old bob willis having a rant about this many a time

so they have a fielder in the covers for a good shot that saves 1 but none for a bad shot that scores four

shot brook

ton up
 
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