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The Independent Commission For Equity In Cricket

GordonMuchallNo1Fan said:
Notice you ignore the view of my wife though.... Any reason for that?
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I've never spoken to your wife.

All I have to go on is your posts on here, and your dismissal of the findings in this report is completely on brand for you.

TBH, your assessment that the report must be biased because the chair was a black woman, is exactly the kind of racist bullshit I expect from you.
 

Report authors Michelle Moore, Sir Brendan Barber, Cindy Butts (Chair), Dr Michael Collins and Zafar Ansari.

Michelle is an equality activist, so she will see discrimination everywhere, her resume excels at this. Sir Brendan barber is a Trade Union official, a former General Secretary of the TUC.

Cindy Butts is another advocate for inclusion and equity, with experience for EDI in police and Justice and Government. Dr Collins is Political thought and political science with a bias towards equity and would suggest a left-wing acolyte. Zafar (a former cricketer) is also a specialist in immigration, housing and social issues. This bunch of people seem to have a specific agenda.

But of course, it fits into the narrative of EDI. That is the god that must be obeyed at all costs.

You really couldn't make up today's world. Pick a jury that is loaded against you. I don't expect a whitewash, but pick people with an agenda, there is only one outcome.

As for private schools dominating the pathways, would we really change this? Cricket is an expensive sport to maintain, it's not cheap to maintain a pristine outfield and pitches alongside all of the equipment. It is a minority interest and can only be played in specific conditions certain times of the year. If your local school suddenly received a big increase in its budget, would you really want it to spend a big chunk of it on a cricket programme?? That would surely be way, way down the list of priorities.
 
NorthCountryBoy said:
93% of the country are state educated. I reckon 93%+ of the kids coming through up here are also state educated, although I suspect it’s different down south where as a sport it’s almost wiped out in inner city London etc. So no class issue in the NE on that score, based on what I see.

The issue is getting that 93% up here to elite level. Most will only play cricket at their club while the private/ public school kids get top quality coaching at schools layered on top of that.

I don’t buy that NE cricket has big issues in the grass roots club system. But it does in terms of schools themselves.
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Has always been like that though. My class at school and the lads from Blackfyne I used to knock about with made up pretty much all the Consett and Shotley Bridge junior teams in the 80s.

I can only ever remember playing one school game, Blackfyne v Lanchester.
 
MustardAndOnions said:
Btw I agree Durham are mint, but we need to realise the isn’t the case across the country

Burns made it through the surrey system as state but all the rest went to the best schools in the country, Curran’s, jacks, sibley etc
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I agree Durham are a bit of an exception. The game has very strong working class roots in the region which probably isn't the case down south. I'm fairly sure Harry Pearson makes the case for it in Slipless in Settle but I can't remember the exact words he used.
 
Hulkster said:
Report authors Michelle Moore, Sir Brendan Barber, Cindy Butts (Chair), Dr Michael Collins and Zafar Ansari.

Michelle is an equality activist, so she will see discrimination everywhere, her resume excels at this. Sir Brendan barber is a Trade Union official, a former General Secretary of the TUC.

Cindy Butts is another advocate for inclusion and equity, with experience for EDI in police and Justice and Government. Dr Collins is Political thought and political science with a bias towards equity and would suggest a left-wing acolyte. Zafar (a former cricketer) is also a specialist in immigration, housing and social issues. This bunch of people seem to have a specific agenda.

But of course, it fits into the narrative of EDI. That is the god that must be obeyed at all costs.

You really couldn't make up today's world. Pick a jury that is loaded against you. I don't expect a whitewash, but pick people with an agenda, there is only one outcome.

As for private schools dominating the pathways, would we really change this? Cricket is an expensive sport to maintain, it's not cheap to maintain a pristine outfield and pitches alongside all of the equipment. It is a minority interest and can only be played in specific conditions certain times of the year. If your local school suddenly received a big increase in its budget, would you really want it to spend a big chunk of it on a cricket programme?? That would surely be way, way down the list of priorities.
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The ECB have accepted the findings.

When you're a junior you can play other inexpensive forms of cricket to get the interest there. Playing kwik cricket is probably more beneficial to a young mind that might get bored easy than longer forms of the game.
smoker said:
Which grew out of WMC and Colliery Welfare drinking culture.
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Lots of the clubs have moved on from that which is a good thing imho, perhaps out of necessity cos the subs from the pay packets are no longer there. My local club has two mens teams, a womens team and a kids team. 10 years ago it only had a mens team. Being more inclusive has allowed them to access funding to help improve their facilities. Sadly that's not the case for many clubs.
 
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GordonMuchallNo1Fan said:
Well if they are gonna criticise the game as a whole it may have been an idea to speak to regular attenders of county clubs. Sat here now it's very much game for all.
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How would you, exclusively as a spectator, be aware of discrimination within the game?

Pretty much everyone I know in the game has been involved with toxic clubs made up of toxic people creating toxic environments at some point.

Very easy to see from experience alone how those who are a minority would have problems being accepted
 
English sport is built on a system which is built on a wider English system built on the idea that the majority are plebs or worse and that the upper echelons are the exclusive preserve of a better class of people, and a huge proportion of the population believevit at heart, stil. It's why we have the government we do as well as so many people voted for them, and against their interests.

English sport is the same, and why English sport despite in most areas being among the richest and best served in the world for infrastructure and investment are so consistently under par. Because only a proportion of the population are allowed to learn about those sports and to have the experience of playing it. If you ever wanted proof of how stupid racists are its the inability to grasp that the wider the selection of people to choose from, the more talent will come through.
 
Hulkster said:
Report authors Michelle Moore, Sir Brendan Barber, Cindy Butts (Chair), Dr Michael Collins and Zafar Ansari.

Michelle is an equality activist, so she will see discrimination everywhere, her resume excels at this. Sir Brendan barber is a Trade Union official, a former General Secretary of the TUC.

Cindy Butts is another advocate for inclusion and equity, with experience for EDI in police and Justice and Government. Dr Collins is Political thought and political science with a bias towards equity and would suggest a left-wing acolyte. Zafar (a former cricketer) is also a specialist in immigration, housing and social issues. This bunch of people seem to have a specific agenda.

But of course, it fits into the narrative of EDI. That is the god that must be obeyed at all costs.

You really couldn't make up today's world. Pick a jury that is loaded against you. I don't expect a whitewash, but pick people with an agenda, there is only one outcome.

As for private schools dominating the pathways, would we really change this? Cricket is an expensive sport to maintain, it's not cheap to maintain a pristine outfield and pitches alongside all of the equipment. It is a minority interest and can only be played in specific conditions certain times of the year. If your local school suddenly received a big increase in its budget, would you really want it to spend a big chunk of it on a cricket programme?? That would surely be way, way down the list of priorities.
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Find this post quite sad.

Just accepting it’s a sport for a select few then. May we well just give up.
 
sonson said:
English sport is built on a system which is built on a wider English system built on the idea that the majority are plebs or worse and that the upper echelons are the exclusive preserve of a better class of people, and a huge proportion of the population believevit at heart, stil. It's why we have the government we do as well as so many people voted for them, and against their interests.

English sport is the same, and why English sport despite in most areas being among the richest and best served in the world for infrastructure and investment are so consistently under par. Because only a proportion of the population are allowed to learn about those sports and to have the experience of playing it. If you ever wanted proof of how stupid racists are its the inability to grasp that the wider the selection of people to choose from, the more talent will come through.
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Is that all English sports?
 
sonson said:
English sport is built on a system which is built on a wider English system built on the idea that the majority are plebs or worse and that the upper echelons are the exclusive preserve of a better class of people, and a huge proportion of the population believevit at heart, stil. It's why we have the government we do as well as so many people voted for them, and against their interests.

English sport is the same, and why English sport despite in most areas being among the richest and best served in the world for infrastructure and investment are so consistently under par. Because only a proportion of the population are allowed to learn about those sports and to have the experience of playing it. If you ever wanted proof of how stupid racists are its the inability to grasp that the wider the selection of people to choose from, the more talent will come through.
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Aye football is the exception to that and look how diverse the England team is full of absolute world stars

People love knocking footballers for the money they earn but almost all of them are state educated normal lads.
 
Hulkster said:
Report authors Michelle Moore, Sir Brendan Barber, Cindy Butts (Chair), Dr Michael Collins and Zafar Ansari.

Michelle is an equality activist, so she will see discrimination everywhere, her resume excels at this. Sir Brendan barber is a Trade Union official, a former General Secretary of the TUC.

Cindy Butts is another advocate for inclusion and equity, with experience for EDI in police and Justice and Government. Dr Collins is Political thought and political science with a bias towards equity and would suggest a left-wing acolyte. Zafar (a former cricketer) is also a specialist in immigration, housing and social issues. This bunch of people seem to have a specific agenda.

But of course, it fits into the narrative of EDI. That is the god that must be obeyed at all costs.

You really couldn't make up today's world. Pick a jury that is loaded against you. I don't expect a whitewash, but pick people with an agenda, there is only one outcome.

As for private schools dominating the pathways, would we really change this? Cricket is an expensive sport to maintain, it's not cheap to maintain a pristine outfield and pitches alongside all of the equipment. It is a minority interest and can only be played in specific conditions certain times of the year. If your local school suddenly received a big increase in its budget, would you really want it to spend a big chunk of it on a cricket programme?? That would surely be way, way down the list of priorities.
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It's pretty obvious that it's a bit of a class driven sport. At the public schools you can play/practice cricket all year long if you want and there are specialist coaches to enable this. I know lads who went to Durham School, who played with me at the county and they had tuition most days from special cricket sports masters like gordon Muchall. At the state school I was at there was none of that. If the state schools was to level up then employ a cricket coach for anyone who wants to have tuition all year round.
 
Hulkster said:
Well do you think elite cricket development programs would be the best use of a state school's money?
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I dunno but it’s an entirely class driven sport, which is what the commission found and it’s recommended ways round to solve that

Whether you think cricket matters at all and should be made available to state kids is a different argument but it’s extremely class driven
 
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