Tony Mowbray

[chunksafc]

the man who is responsible for moneyball,

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Why, simple to slam down on the rumours and back mowbray, if not then it allows speculation to continue.

He was and then was poached by Red Bull FC in America

 

[GordonMuchallNo1Fan]

What is success tho? Cos for SAFC it isn’t bobbing around the championship which given his track record is what we’ll do.

I think his record this season is success, top 6 was a remarkable achievement. He deserves an opportunity to build on that success. 40% win ratio at Sunderland and Blackburn isn't too bad at all. This fella who managed in New York recently isn't anything to shout about at all. Mowbray exceeded expectations this season, that's a good effort.

 

[Blyth]

I think his record this season is success, top 6 was a remarkable achievement. He deserves an opportunity to build on that success. 40% win ratio at Sunderland and Blackburn isn't too bad at all. This fella who managed in New York recently isn't anything to shout about at all. Mowbray exceeded expectations this season, that's a good effort.

I don’t disagree. If we want promotion tho his track record shows it’s unlikely. I’m not saying get this guy in either. Until it happens or if it happens it’s hard to judge.

 

[CissesUnderpants9]

He was and then was poached by Red Bull FC in America

lot of links with Red Bull, with two of the candates named, i wonder if Billy is going to join the club at some point, stranger things etc

 

[Howard the Duck]

They appointed him as a "paper over the cracks and get through until the end of the season". Never did they expect Mowbray to do this well.

You say it with such authority too.

 

[GordonMuchallNo1Fan]

I don’t disagree. If we want promotion tho his track record shows it’s unlikely. I’m not saying get this guy in either. Until it happens or if it happens it’s hard to judge.

Paul Heckingbottom's record wasn't anything to shout about and 83 games later since taking the job full time he's now promoted out of league. His role as interim manager at Sheffield United, he lost 8 in 11 albeit in league above but they reverted back to him as a foreign manager didn't work and a year and a half later he's got them promoted and had them in the play offs the season before.

 

[Howard the Duck]

You're not going to get a fancy foreign fella coming to Sunderland in league one. First sniff of "success" and they want to start with the foreign mode which is clearly happening behind the scenes. They simply never expected Mowbray to do so well. The fact the club are head hunting abroad for managerial appointments clearly tells you the model they want to go down. That model would never have worked in league one.

We appointed Mowbray in the Championship though.

FWIW It is rumoured Salzburg want 3-5 million euros for Jaissle. So I don't think we will go for him. Farioli/Struber are available.

Why?

 

[GordonMuchallNo1Fan]

We appointed Mowbray in the Championship though.

Correct mid way through a season clearly as a "paper over the cracks" until the end of the season where they club have been scouting foreign managers to implement this model. The club never in a million years expected Mowbray to do as well as he did, especially when they didn't back him in January with a striker. Mowbray has given them a headache now.

 

[BushTucker]

He deserves to go again with a fit squad and (at least) 3 strikers, because he did an incredible job with what he had. I really questioned his appointment but admit I was very wrong. This has been the most enjoyable season, watching the best football, since the Reidy years.

 

[CissesUnderpants9]

He deserves to go again with a fit squad and (at least) 3 strikers, because he did an incredible job with what he had. I really questioned his appointment but admit I was very wrong. This has been the most enjoyable season, watching the best football, since the Reidy years.

Down KLD really, will see in the days ahead.

 

[sir rowell cummins]

The truth is that it someone comes in and smashes us up the league we’ll think of the Mowbray season with fondness and respect and won’t give a shite about him being replaced. If the new person comes and players don’t perform we’ll be fuming. The question is one of risk v stability and confidence in the decision making v our historical expectation of fuck ups. Apart from the class football we’ve played I also think most of us also love old uncle Tony because he could be one of our family so we can connect to him on a personal level. Of course class football can be replicated. We can also like the next person for different reasons.

 

[Howard the Duck]

Yes, he was the one photographed at the Birmingham? Game

Working on that basis, the signings of Ousama Dembele and Jude Bellingham should help mask any shortcomings he has as manager.

i often feel like following sunderland is a like journey from one baffling decision to the next... followed by someone quiping... "typical sunderland"

For the last two and a half years, according to this place, those baffling decisions have included appointing Alex Neil and appointing Mowbray. They’ve worked out alright haven’t they?

There’s nothing at all that’s ‘typical Sunderland’ about this regime.

 

[Blyth]

Paul Heckingbottom's record wasn't anything to shout about and 83 games later since taking the job full time he's now promoted out of league. His role as interim manager at Sheffield United, he lost 8 in 11 albeit in league above but they reverted back to him as a foreign manager didn't work and a year and a half later he's got them promoted and had them in the play offs the season before.

Aye but they’ve got a much better squad, parachute payments etc. not a great comparison to where the clubs are.

 

[CissesUnderpants9]

There’s a bit of perspective needed here imo. Sentiment is probably kicking in for the majority of us. Mowbray has over 800 games as a manager, but only one season in the Premier league. He has been involved in the play off 6 times, but never won them. We finished on 69 points and it could be argued that would have been more with a fully fit squad, however we don’t know that for certain. 69 points isn't usually enough to get you into 6th place. The word 'overachievment' is getting used a lot, despite everyone saying how good our players look. Again I think saying overachieving is harsh on what are very good players who have proved themselves capable at this level. The bottom line for me is that whilst fans expectations have been exceeded, Mowbray has managed to get us to finish at a level he has achieved quite consistently over his career. History suggests that he doesn't go above this level and surely we all want to be playing higher up?

The target is a return to the premer league, and as you wisely say, botchie, one season in the premer league, we need a coach capable enough to take us up, keep us up, and then push the club onwards, i am not sure about the names suggested, but i assume at a high level of the club, that is the thought process along the model working going forward to stablity in the premer league.

 

[billyboy]

It would be a risk to be fair, they keep taking risks, I'd consider a shed load of their decisions to be very brave and trying to be very clever.

As far as im concerned almost all of those decisions have turned out to be very clever and you don't get drastic change by settling I guess, of course, something will go wrong at some point and scores will be waiting with daggers in hand but the club has been crying out for a bright set out lad for the longest time, I couldn't be happier that we appear to have them.

Ultimately it won't be the coach who decides where we finish next season.

It was Mowbray this season who got us to the playoffs with a depleted and mostly young inexperienced squad. I don’t consider it clever to not replace long term injuries and Simms in January. We don’t know which players from the current squad will be here next season or whether they will be replaced. So much in the air it would be better to have continuity with a safe pair of hands in Mowbray rather than a new head coach who will be starting from scratch.

 

[Arfa Sleep]

I'm pretty chilled about it all. I love the job Mowbray has done this season and would have no complaints if he stayed, but equally I'd happily support any decision to replace him if it improved us further. The club aren't actively trying to fuck us over, they're trying to improve us. And whilst Mowbray has an enormous amount of credit in the bank, maybe he's not the man they want to push the club to the next level with? If that's the case I'm fine with that, because I trust the people who are running the club now and think they know what they are doing.

I'm not privy to what goes on behind closed doors but maybe there's stuff we aren't aware of, maybe from the perspective of the people running the show they feel a clean break with Mowbray going out on a high is the best thing for everyone.

I don't know. Like I say, I feel confident every decision is taken with the club's best interests at heart, and whether that's replacing the manager or signing new players, I'm happy to back them. As much as Mowbray has earned our trust, so have the ownership group and the off-the-field team. I trust the process, but obviously understand not everyone does and are maybe more sceptical.

Way I see it, if you really do trust them, you have to back their decisions.

Completely agree with this. Perhaps the plan all along was for Mowbray to see out the season and ensure we stayed up meaning they could pursue other targets without the time pressure. I'm happy if he stays and happy to back the owner if a change is made.

Correct mid way through a season clearly as a "paper over the cracks" until the end of the season where they club have been scouting foreign managers to implement this model. The club never in a million years expected Mowbray to do as well as he did, especially when they didn't back him in January with a striker. Mowbray has given them a headache now.

I'm not sure August is mid way through the season mind

 

[chriswallace85]

It was Mowbray this season who got us to the playoffs with a depleted and mostly young inexperienced squad. I don’t consider it clever to not replace long term injuries and Simms in January. We don’t know which players from the current squad will be here next season or whether they will be replaced. So much in the air it would be better to have continuity with a safe pair of hands in Mowbray rather than a new head coach who will be starting from scratch.

Depends what you mean by inexperience. Dan Neil rocked up his 100th appearance this season. Patto already our first choice keeper since last season. Cirkin first choice left back since last season.


Alese, Ekwah, Hume (in terms of English football), Michut, Ba.. fair enough, but aside from Hume in the second half of the season none of them have been stalwarts in the starting XI.

You could maybe argue Amad, but he's one of the most talented players in the league, has come from a humongous club, and has experience in the Prem, Serie A, and the Champions League.


I know the Championship is a step up from where we've been, but it's still only the second tier. This is where talented youngsters come to prove themselves at a lower level than where they truly aspire to be. Michut has taken a step down from what little game time he's had at PSG to mix it in English football. So all this talk of youth and inexperience doesn't tell the full story. These are talented lads.

 

[Gloucester]

The Club could put out a statement confirming Mowbray is in charge next season and kill off all this unhelpful speculation. If they don’t do so this week I think that suggests he will be leaving.

No need to feel sorry for him as he will have his remaining year off on full pay and will be free to take any job offer that comes along.

That said, I would quite like him to have another season with us.

 

[Cream Soda]

The Club could put out a statement confirming Mowbray is in charge next season and kill off all this unhelpful speculation. If they don’t do so this week I think that suggests he will be leaving.

No need to feel sorry for him as he will have his remaining year off on full pay and will be free to take any job offer that comes along.

That said, I would quite like him to have another season with us.

Doesn't speakman usually do an end of season open letter ? Furthermore I recall KLD doing an interview on talk sport confirming Johnson was staying

 

[chopsfc007]

Correct mid way through a season clearly as a "paper over the cracks" until the end of the season where they club have been scouting foreign managers to implement this model. The club never in a million years expected Mowbray to do as well as he did, especially when they didn't back him in January with a striker. Mowbray has given them a headache now.

Nowhere near mid way of the season