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The Pep myth

It’ll never happen but would love to see a top manager go and take charge at a less fashionable club and see how they get on. For example Guardiola to go and manage a team in the Championship and see if he can replicate or better what Franke has done at Brentford. Would be an interesting experiment.

Closest we’ve had was probably Benitez going to Newcastle and he did no better than Bruce, with similar resources.
 

Sallycinamon said:
It’ll never happen but would love to see a top manager go and take charge at a less fashionable club and see how they get on. For example Guardiola to go and manage a team in the Championship and see if he can replicate or better what Franke has done at Brentford. Would be an interesting experiment.

Closest we’ve had was probably Benitez going to Newcastle and he did no better than Bruce, with similar resources.
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Clough did it with Derby and Forest.
Shankly did it with Liverpool.
Revie did it with Leeds
 
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Sallycinamon said:
It’ll never happen but would love to see a top manager go and take charge at a less fashionable club and see how they get on. For example Guardiola to go and manage a team in the Championship and see if he can replicate or better what Franke has done at Brentford. Would be an interesting experiment.

Closest we’ve had was probably Benitez going to Newcastle and he did no better than Bruce, with similar resources.
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Rafa Wasn’t a top manager imo
 
joedurham said:
I don't think any side in the history of British football would have been able to withstand City during the first 45 minutes yesterday. Absolutely magnificent.
Another chapter in the Pep saga.
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Tbf the European leagues are poor this year. Barca are coasting La Liga and as demonstrated yesterday are rank average. PSG are winning the French league and in spite of a plethora of stars have lost five times, twice in the last week. Dortmund are edging a very poor Bundesliga borne out by the fact that Freiburg are a mere seven points behind them in 4th. As for the Premier and in spite of Lineker's attempts to boost it, City and Arsenal have had very limited opposition to deal with, the latter looking likely to fall away tamely. So this idea of the City wonderteam needs to be put into perspective.
 
redandwhiterob said:
Totally different game now though. It's more or less impossible to do what them managers did back then
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Absolutely the same game marra.
11 against 11. Exactly the same.
Politics and finance has changed, but the game is the same.
A good coach/manager will cope with, and improve what he has.
It's a lazy trope trotted out by people with no real answer when examples are provided to disprove their theory.
People say it can't be done. They are shown examples of when it was done. They trot out the " oh but that was years ago. The game has changed".
The elite managers could do it.
 
Georgewhitt said:
Absolutely the same game marra.
11 against 11. Exactly the same.
Politics and finance has changed, but the game is the same.
A good coach/manager will cope with, and improve what he has.
It's a lazy trope trotted out by people with no real answer when examples are provided to disprove their theory.
People say it can't be done. They are shown examples of when it was done. They trot out the " oh but that was years ago. The game has changed".
The elite managers could do it.
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Do you think Clough could take over of say Millwall, get them promoted next season, win the premier league the season after, them win two champions leagues off the spin after that? Yes, thats impossible I'd say
 
redandwhiterob said:
Do you think Clough could take over of say Millwall, get them promoted next season, win the premier league the season after, them win two champions leagues off the spin after that? Yes, thats impossible I'd say
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Completely agree with as the bloke is no longer with us, unless you meant Nigel therefore my answer would be no
 
redandwhiterob said:
Do you think Clough could take over of say Millwall, get them promoted next season, win the premier league the season after, them win two champions leagues off the spin after that? Yes, thats impossible I'd say
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Thats not the discussion though is it.
The point being asked is could they succeed with a lesser club. Not whether they could win the prem, but would they succeed at a lower level club.
Success for Millwall would be promotion first of all.
Do I think Pep would have achieved that? Yes I do.
Success for Hartlepool would have been avoiding relegation. Would Pep have done that? Yes he would.

Is he the best, maybe not. He needs to win the CL at city to be even considered, but the argument that he couldn't achieve at a lower level is quite frankly, daft.
 
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Georgewhitt said:
Thats not the discussion though is it.
The point being asked is could they succeed with a lesser club. Not whether they could win the prem, but would they succeed at a lower level club.
Success for Millwall would be promotion first of all.
Do I think Pep would have achieved that? Yes I do.
Success for Hartlepool would have been avoiding relegation. Would Pep have done that? Yes he would.
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I'm really not sure of your point you arguing then.
Dan The Man said:
Nope he’s a bit dead
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Well I think you get my point as in if he was around today
 
redandwhiterob said:
I'm really not sure of your point you arguing then.
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Well people trot out the " could he be any good at a lower level club? He's only doing well because of the money he has to spend. I don't believe that is the case. He is a world class coach, who would achieve relative success wherever he was.
 
Don't get this obsession with taking the elite managers and putting them with less successful clubs to prove their ability.
Guardiola has only once finished as low as third place in all his years in management. He's finished second twice. He's won 10 out of 13 league titles he's competed for. He's looking likely to make that 11 out of 14 in the next month.
That level of consistency is ridiculous.
Ancelotti winning all the big 5 leagues and multiple champions leagues, Mourinho delivering trophies wherever he goes (except spurs, sacked the week before a final). These managers are never gonna drop down a division to prove a point. They don't need to.
 
Georgewhitt said:
Clough did it with Derby and Forest.
Shankly did it with Liverpool.
Revie did it with Leeds
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Cloughie arguably did go to Forest as a top manger when they were in Division 2. The others, and Clough at Derby, only became top managers by doing the business having started there before they were “top managers “.
 
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Dodgy said:
Looking reasonable value, now. Certainly took a while to go from being the biggest fish at Villa but has been excellent this season. Whilst his goals and assists tally still isn't great, he often seems to be instrumental in making the assist.
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He's second only to de Bruyne in total shot creating actions for City this season
 
In my opinion you need a different type of manager for different situations/environments. The best manager of a top of the premier league team wouldn’t necessarily make the best lower league or even mid table PL manager. Horses for courses and all that
 
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