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The Safety of Fans in the North Stand

hank williams said:
But surley the cost of netting etc would surely compensate if anyone sued the club because they got hurt
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And if you check the Feyenoord photo above the netting seems to have been attached to the roof and to the parapet at the bottom of the top tier where the away fans are housed at De Kuip

De Kuip has a very similar capacity to the Stadium of Light and as far as I know this netting has prevented any dangerous incidents inside the ground.

Clearly netting is a practical possibility so only the cost (and possible impact on concerts/image of the club) is preventing it happening?
 

Sgt Pepper said:
Surely all the money they’ll be spending on extra stewards and police presence in the away end (which clearly doesn’t work) will equate to far more money over time than a net would cost? Seems like false economics.

The one at Bramall Lane looks simple enough, it’s a few metal poles sticking out the concourse wall with a bit of material (the net) fixed to them. Can’t be that much money?
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Sheffield Utd situation is loads different to ours. Their seating area under the net is much smaller than the North stand area. Would be almost impossible to support a net projected out covering all the lower North stand. A net could only be used if suspended from the roof to the front of the concourse.
 
But apparently - while the away net stopped things being chucked by the away supporters at De Kuip - at this year’s match against Ajax a lighter was thrown at the Ajax midfielder Davy Klassen and struck him in the head causing a wound and him having to be substituted with “dizziness”

This led to nets going up all around the ground - which in turn had to be taken down for European matches and was apparently associated with the ban on Roma fans travelling to Rotterdam (and Feyenoord fans going to Rome).

Think the club could do worse than get in touch with Feyenoord for any ideas they may have about how to solve this problem.
 
TravellingMackem said:
You can, and we do, retrospectively zoom in on the images after they’ve occurred to confirm package IDs, so there must be some integrated multi-camera system inside one “camera device” that facilitates this. I’m sure the supplier could be consulted and explore the idea at least, but as usual the club won’t even entertain suggestions.

I don’t see how a net blocks an escape route unless you intend to jump from The north stand upper in the event of a fire, which I wouldn’t fancy. Neil did confirm though the only blocker was club finances in the RAWA meeting
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Do you know the club will not review their cctv operations. The fact they wont discuss it with you, does not mean they are not considering it. In fact it seems a sensible thing to do, but probably will need to replace the whole lot with a review to update locations etc. that will cost a pretty bob or two. I would keep it under wraps as well for now.

IIRC people escaping from upper tier may be unlikely to us, but how will the courts and HSE view it. Lawyers will be all over it, so it is not an easy decision to make as many different factors are involved.

as I have said before, the people to blame are the people who throw the objects. These are premeditated actions. Go to a match to watch football, not so you can throw an object at another fan
 
soapster said:
Do you know the club will not review their cctv operations. The fact they wont discuss it with you, does not mean they are not considering it. In fact it seems a sensible thing to do, but probably will need to replace the whole lot with a review to update locations etc. that will cost a pretty bob or two. I would keep it under wraps as well for now.

IIRC people escaping from upper tier may be unlikely to us, but how will the courts and HSE view it. Lawyers will be all over it, so it is not an easy decision to make as many different factors are involved.

as I have said before, the people to blame are the people who throw the objects. These are premeditated actions. Go to a match to watch football, not so you can throw an object at another fan
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I think the club have shown nothing over than a willingness to whitewash the whole situation tbh and aren’t willing to consider anything. A key aspect of my role over the last 7 years has been around CCTV operation and use of it in our facilities, so I am very aware of how easy or otherwise it would be to do something about it. Steve Neil did discuss it, but went only as far as to criticise the current setup. Sounds like he basically ain’t being funded for anything that he wants to improve and isn’t willing or able to challenge the situation.
tony_not_in_london said:
And if you check the Feyenoord photo above the netting seems to have been attached to the roof and to the parapet at the bottom of the top tier where the away fans are housed at De Kuip

De Kuip has a very similar capacity to the Stadium of Light and as far as I know this netting has prevented any dangerous incidents inside the ground.

Clearly netting is a practical possibility so only the cost (and possible impact on concerts/image of the club) is preventing it happening?
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I’m sure it’s not beyond the wit of man to make it retractable so you can deploy it only where the away fans are in sections, so take it away for concerts, or only deploy some for smaller away followings for instance
 
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soapster said:
Do you know the club will not review their cctv operations. The fact they wont discuss it with you, does not mean they are not considering it. In fact it seems a sensible thing to do, but probably will need to replace the whole lot with a review to update locations etc. that will cost a pretty bob or two. I would keep it under wraps as well for now.

IIRC people escaping from upper tier may be unlikely to us, but how will the courts and HSE view it. Lawyers will be all over it, so it is not an easy decision to make as many different factors are involved.

as I have said before, the people to blame are the people who throw the objects. These are premeditated actions. Go to a match to watch football, not so you can throw an object at another fan
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Of course they are to blame but they ARE doing it, nearly every game and it's not one or two things either. I sit right next to the North Stand and see it regularly.
It's a really vile thing to do - if you want to cause bother, meet up with some like-minded lads, away from the stadium and crack-on but, as I say, they are doing it and the club has to minimise the threat of serious injury (or worse) to it's own fans.

What price a life?
 
6inarow said:
Although commenting on my own post, It may be because theres going to be a lot of housing up that end in the future
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i live on one of the main streets leading to Roker park (when it was there) and there are loads of houses here, as there are at a large % of grounds around the country so i am afraid that that argument just does not stand up to scrutiny, the thought process that the club seem to have that the away fans just come in busses that park up at the north end is absolute nonsense.
there is little the club can do that will negate Neanderthal like stupidity other than move the away supporters, or place a Perspex screen up to fully encapsulate the away fans.
i know loads of people will be put out by the first option and getting the club to go for option two seems to be a none starter, it looks like someone will need to be maimed or worse before action will be taken, such a shame that the club seem to be derelict in their attitude to their own supporters.
 
Dundas street kid said:
i live on one of the main streets leading to Roker park (when it was there) and there are loads of houses here, as there are at a large % of grounds around the country so i am afraid that that argument just does not stand up to scrutiny, the thought process that the club seem to have that the away fans just come in busses that park up at the north end is absolute nonsense.
there is little the club can do that will negate Neanderthal like stupidity other than move the away supporters, or place a Perspex screen up to fully encapsulate the away fans.
i know loads of people will be put out by the first option and getting the club to go for option two seems to be a none starter, it looks like someone will need to be maimed or worse before action will be taken, such a shame that the club seem to be derelict in their attitude to their own supporters.
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Yep, I grew up living off one of the streets next to the New Derby so the argument has no substance really
 
6inarow said:
Yep, I grew up living off one of the streets next to the New Derby so the argument has no substance really
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It does have substance. Roker park was built in the 1800s and the houses not long after

City planning has came a long way since then.

You used to have factories and coal mines in the same vicinity as schools and hospitals. The amount of cars and the way they are managed and segregated from pedestrians is a million miles more complex and controlled than it was 100 years ago or even 50 years ago

So just because something used to happen , doesn't mean that it still can or should
 
Next time it happens (it will), the fans in the north stand should just leave en masse and take unused seats anywhere else in the ground.

Send a real message to the club, as they are doing fuck all to ensure the fan's safety.
 
tunstallhill said:
It does have substance. Roker park was built in the 1800s and the houses not long after

City planning has came a long way since then.

You used to have factories and coal mines in the same vicinity as schools and hospitals. The amount of cars and the way they are managed and segregated from pedestrians is a million miles more complex and controlled than it was 100 years ago or even 50 years ago

So just because something used to happen , doesn't mean that it still can or should
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I think youre looking a bit too deep there, I would be pretty confident in the thinking that the Sheepfolds developments werent planned out under the proviso that The football clubs away fans stay at the opposite end of the stadium on matchdays for 2 hours every other week
 
Steve Neil’s emailed address seems to have been turned off but Steve Davison’s works for anyone interested.
Sunderland06 said:
Next time it happens (it will), the fans in the north stand should just leave en masse and take unused seats anywhere else in the ground.

Send a real message to the club, as they are doing fuck all to ensure the fan's safety.
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No seats but I’d be happy to walk on the pitch if everyone else did tbh.
 
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HnTch said:
Sheffield Utd situation is loads different to ours. Their seating area under the net is much smaller than the North stand area. Would be almost impossible to support a net projected out covering all the lower North stand. A net could only be used if suspended from the roof to the front of the concourse.
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Would’ve thought there’d still be a way of doing it like, by moving the branch flags and installing some good metal supports that the net would then ‘sit’ on top of (fixed obviously). I’m nee expert like.

Failing that, get one of these bad lads put in that hangs from the roof to the front of the balcony area.

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