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The Safety of Fans in the North Stand


TravellingMackem said:
The difference with the SS is that the fans seating in that area are old enough or daft enough to look after themselves, and were seated in that area to be near the away fans by choice. In the NS, the away fans were forced on us one day and they are amongst our most vulnerable fans, such as the disabled seating and a lot of the kids - especially when they give out the free school tickets in that area. Previously, it was easy to avoid trouble if you wanted to by sitting in the NS, or find trouble if you wanted to be sitting in the SWC at the time. Now it’s just forced on you by moving the away fans.
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Aye no arguments about that, that was just directly about moving them to the South Stand. They 100% need to do something but I think preventive measures, nets etc. are the way forward rather than moving it otherwise it's the NE Corner as already mentioned on here, could even allocate into the North stand and allocate the extra capacity into the North Stand above their own fans maybe?

It's just fixing one problem and causing a whole lot more and let's be honest there was people arrested in the SWC all the time before they moved. I can remember at least once (not sure who now) that seats were ripped out and thrown about which isn't exactly what we need either so it's not as if it was fine beforehand either. Can't think of any problems like that since they've been moved up there - hope I didn't jinx that mind.
 
Zimba said:
Aye no arguments about that, that was just directly about moving them to the South Stand. They 100% need to do something but I think preventive measures, nets etc. are the way forward rather than moving it otherwise it's the NE Corner as already mentioned on here, could even allocate into the North stand and allocate the extra capacity into the North Stand above their own fans maybe?

It's just fixing one problem and causing a whole lot more and let's be honest there was people arrested in the SWC all the time before they moved. I can remember at least once (not sure who now) that seats were ripped out and thrown about which isn't exactly what we need either so it's not as if it was fine beforehand either. Can't think of any problems like that since they've been moved up there - hope I didn't jinx that mind.
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I don’t mind them up there, if they’d stop the throwing of stuff. But there is a massive difference between throwing a seat sideways and the potential fatal event of hitting someone downstairs with a metal smoke bomb.

They need to prevent the throwing of things via a screen or net or whatever, as it’s clear that their “searches” are bollocks. Or failing that, move them. I don’t care which, but it cannot continue as it is.
samaistonsrightfoot said:
Nah, I replied to the one he sent me before. Def 2 unless it’s changed since then.
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You are right I’ve just checked and it is indeed 2 l’s. Guess he’s blocked public emails because he’s a cowardly wanker
 
TravellingMackem said:
I don’t mind them up there, if they’d stop the throwing of stuff. But there is a massive difference between throwing a seat sideways and the potential fatal event of hitting someone downstairs with a metal smoke bomb.

They need to prevent the throwing of things via a screen or net or whatever, as it’s clear that their “searches” are bollocks. Or failing that, move them. I don’t care which, but it cannot continue as it is.

You are right I’ve just checked and it is indeed 2 l’s. Guess he’s blocked public emails because he’s a cowardly wanker
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Just tried it again and changed the word ‘missile’ in case it had some daft terrorism block or something on it but it still isn’t having it.
 
TravellingMackem said:
Back on ignore you go. Not even your argument, very weird kid you

1 l isn’t it?
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Calling people names who disagree with you is rather childish and immature, I’d politely suggest it doesn’t cast you in a good light regardless of your opinions.

Log off for a bit and then come back and read some of your posts again , they’re embarrassing man.
 
I'm in the SWC so whilst it's far from me it's in full view. I agree 100% that the club have been shocking with their inactivity to prevent this. The other issue is after the flare was thrown you could see where the blue smoke originated from so about 10 stewards went to where it was thrown. That's not good that stewards have to go into a away crowd of a club with a reputation of having some dodgepot fans after they've just scored.
It's asking for trouble. I can see they being a bust up as a result of the stewards having to go into the crowd. It's shit on them, I know some of them are arseholes but I assume it's not a highly paid job. How many like having wading through a crowd of pissed up Brummies celebrating looking a the bellend that chucked a flare.
 
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As someone who sat in the swc and now sits in the roker end I think it would be great having the away fans closer. People saying but that would cause bother that's what made the swc the place to be when the sol opened it makes the atmosphere when there's a bit of edge and if there's trouble that's what the club pay all that money for and the wrong uns will in time be banned and weeded out. I'd say it might help clear up the bad element among us in the roker end we all know what I mean.
 
TravellingMackem said:
I think you seriously underestimate how good modern CCTV can be. We run a nuclear facility and have wide angled cameras panning the whole place and we leave them on the widest setting, yet can zoom in on the footage retrospectively and read barcode numbers on packages from 200 foot away. These cameras cost about £28k each. The club use cheap bullshit cameras and therefore that is the problem.

Once again, the HSE demands that the club take reasonably practicable measures to prevent risk of injury to every attendee. They are clearly not doing this - I can tell you from experience that 2 or 3 of those cameras would cover the full away end easily and provide all of the views needed to identify anyone committing any offence in view. I have numerous times provided the specification of these cameras to Neil and the club too.

The whole problem can be made a lot better by spending 50k on some better cameras, or 50k on a net (Neil provided that estimate in the RAWA minutes). That isn’t unreasonably practicable for a business turning over £50m a year

Moving them to the south will prevent all items being chucked from a height, and hence remove that risk entirely. Sideways chucking is a different risk. Or if we’re being facetious, then we could lock them all in a vacuum sealed box and they could still chuck items around in there… no idea why some are coming on here to antagonise other Sunderland fans, it’s absolutely pathetic mate

When they are in a thread like this with the intention to wind up other Sunderland fans, maybe it does help
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I'm not antagonising. As you say it has different risks. Checking sideways from short distances is a hazard and kore likely to hit people in the face or eyes etc. My point maybe poorly made is something needs to be done drastically to stop mindless behaviour or chucking things full stop. I dont understand why people do it or how football suddenly makes people act antisocially
 
DieselBert said:
I'm in the SWC so whilst it's far from me it's in full view. I agree 100% that the club have been shocking with their inactivity to prevent this. The other issue is after the flare was thrown you could see where the blue smoke originated from so about 10 stewards went to where it was thrown. That's not good that stewards have to go into a away crowd of a club with a reputation of having some dodgepot fans after they've just scored.
It's asking for trouble. I can see they being a bust up as a result of the stewards having to go into the crowd. It's shit on them, I know some of them are arseholes but I assume it's not a highly paid job. How many like having wading through a crowd of pissed up Brummies celebrating looking a the bellend that chucked a flare.
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The stewards on the far side of NSU were glacial in their response, notwithstanding it’s their job to do so efficiently and promptly.

Your comments about the state of their fans would surely apply to every club that visits ? , or let’s be selective in who we apply the rules to shall we ?
 
ErichZann said:
An online petition will sort it.....We are English, not French. The type of mindset to change things quickly doesn't happen in England. The North Stand should do the pitch invasion if it happens again.
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Probably the best suggestion I’ve heard to really make the club sit up and draw media attention. Happens again and the north stand evacuate onto the pitch
 
TravellingMackem said:
Pursuing criminal charges would help. And publicising these. I know for a fact the CPS are just accepting public match banning order pleas from solicitors as a means of reducing their caseload. Which doesn’t come with a criminal record, a conviction or anything and let’s be honest there are ways around banning orders if you are that way inclined. If we went in hard on the offenders and pushed the harshest criminal charges possible, then publicised it to other away fans visiting then it would act as a disincentive.

However, I’m sure you’ll agree it’s fair to say the club won’t do any of that due to incompetence. So physically preventing the throwing of objects due to a screen or net is the safest option

There’s absolutely no chance my dad moves his seat. We’ve sat there since the SOL opened and it’s our seats. The people around us have all sat there since 1997 too, and we like the people around and what not. My dads also stood in his words “the exact same spot” at Fulwell for 20 odd years before that. He’d rather not go than move his seat, and I know all of those around me would be in a similar position. People are rightfully very possessive about their seats and I don’t see why we should move due to club incompetence when there’s plenty of options available to the useless knackers
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Mean this in the nicest way possible but that seat is not your dad’s seat, it’s the clubs.

If they make the decision to bring them down in that area for safety reasons then I don’t think you would have much say, would be the case of either go elsewhere In the ground or don’t go.

Same goes for any of us I would imagine.
 
Mackemansj1 said:
As someone who sat in the swc and now sits in the roker end I think it would be great having the away fans closer. People saying but that would cause bother that's what made the swc the place to be when the sol opened it makes the atmosphere when there's a bit of edge and if there's trouble that's what the club pay all that money for and the wrong uns will in time be banned and weeded out. I'd say it might help clear up the bad element among us in the roker end we all know what I mean.
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Club pay all that money for what? They pay the bare minimum which is why we are where we are. Them being cheap twats.
 
buster said:
The stewards on the far side of NSU were glacial in their response, notwithstanding it’s their job to do so efficiently and promptly.

Your comments about the state of their fans would surely apply to every club that visits ? , or let’s be selective in who we apply the rules to shall we ?
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All away fans. It only takes one dickhead to throw a flare
 
TravellingMackem said:
I think you seriously underestimate how good modern CCTV can be. We run a nuclear facility and have wide angled cameras panning the whole place and we leave them on the widest setting, yet can zoom in on the footage retrospectively and read barcode numbers on packages from 200 foot away. These cameras cost about £28k each. The club use cheap bullshit cameras and therefore that is the problem.

Once again, the HSE demands that the club take reasonably practicable measures to prevent risk of injury to every attendee. They are clearly not doing this - I can tell you from experience that 2 or 3 of those cameras would cover the full away end easily and provide all of the views needed to identify anyone committing any offence in view. I have numerous times provided the specification of these cameras to Neil and the club too.

The whole problem can be made a lot better by spending 50k on some better cameras, or 50k on a net (Neil provided that estimate in the RAWA minutes). That isn’t unreasonably practicable for a business turning over £50m a year

Moving them to the south will prevent all items being chucked from a height, and hence remove that risk entirely. Sideways chucking is a different risk. Or if we’re being facetious, then we could lock them all in a vacuum sealed box and they could still chuck items around in there… no idea why some are coming on here to antagonise other Sunderland fans, it’s absolutely pathetic mate

When they are in a thread like this with the intention to wind up other Sunderland fans, maybe it does help
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I probably do underestimate what modern cctv camera do, as I have been away from that field for 11 years now. When you zoom in and get clear definition of an item, does it still record the initial view before zoom. Will these cameras integrate with the present control room equipment or will it need its own monitoring system. Will it mean replacing all the present cameras with the ones you suggest, to stop their being a need for 2 monitoring systems. I presume the operatives will need to be retrained

As for HSE demands, will perspex and or netting hinder, stop or delay any escape if so required from the upper tier if it was required
 
buster said:
Calling people names who disagree with you is rather childish and immature, I’d politely suggest it doesn’t cast you in a good light regardless of your opinions.

Log off for a bit and then come back and read some of your posts again , they’re embarrassing man.
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Cool story bro. Condoning throwing missiles at our own fans is more embarrassing, so I’ll be fine. Thanks
Cjg5x said:
Mean this in the nicest way possible but that seat is not your dad’s seat, it’s the clubs.

If they make the decision to bring them down in that area for safety reasons then I don’t think you would have much say, would be the case of either go elsewhere In the ground or don’t go.

Same goes for any of us I would imagine.
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Yes and we would choose not to return. And that’s the clubs choice and that’s fine. But as I also said, it isn’t an option as then you’d just get the reverse problem and have our fans above theirs anyway, so it isn’t an issue for me at least
 
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Mackemansj1 said:
Doesn't policing cost us more than the mags etc or was that just while in the premier League?.
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Haven’t seen figures for a few years but we were paying more than the mags because we own more of the land around the ground and you have to pay for when the police are on your land. Most of the area around the hotchpotch is public land. There’s hardly any actual coppers in our ground though.
 
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