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The Safety of Fans in the North Stand

Mackem00 said:
A new low today mind. Coins raining down, young kid in front of me got hit in the head with one then at full time the police decide not to even stand at the away exit whilst the absolute goons come out. Amazed it didn't kick off more than the odd shite punches that were thrown. Shambles really.
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The punches were shockingly bad mind. Why do people who just can not fight get involved in stuff like that.
 

Hank Scorpio said:
If the aways are to stay up there, the club need to chuck the book at the arsehole element. There should have been a statement immediately after the game highlighting the issue
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Moving the fans isn’t the only option. It’s one of many they could do. A giant Perspex screen like Ajax have would work. As would a net (to a degree, wouldn’t be perfect). Or proper stewarding and deployment of police.

From my seat downstairs I spotted 12 police, 4 in either corner of the north stand lower, and another 4 hanging around the middle walkway. I only seen 3 upstairs. Granted I can’t see everything, but actually deploying police would help. At Carlisle for instance they have about 50 stood next to the away fans just waiting, with dogs, cameras and everything ready and deployed so would be in position to act (and the one time something was thrown, a group of 20 cops marched up and lifted the lad straight away). We have 10 times the away fans yet have a fraction of police deployed. They are more focused on the pissed off home fans than the away fans actually causing the problems
 
Mackem00 said:
A new low today mind. Coins raining down, young kid in front of me got hit in the head with one then at full time the police decide not to even stand at the away exit whilst the absolute goons come out. Amazed it didn't kick off more than the odd shite punches that were thrown. Shambles really.
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Today confirmed my decision to move my SC for next season was right. Utterly shambolic and sadly it’s only a matter of time before someone gets seriously hurt
 
It looked like the person that threw it was escorted out by police before the game restarted. So that's a 3 year ban and a criminal charge for him. It's obviously still not enough of a deterrent and something else needs to be done.

Extra searches will simply not work. If you want to get something in you can, even through airport security style searches. They aren't gunna move fans so the next step is a geet big net.
 
TravellingMackem said:
Moving the fans isn’t the only option. It’s one of many they could do. A giant Perspex screen like Ajax have would work. As would a net (to a degree, wouldn’t be perfect). Or proper stewarding and deployment of police.

From my seat downstairs I spotted 12 police, 4 in either corner of the north stand lower, and another 4 hanging around the middle walkway. I only seen 3 upstairs. Granted I can’t see everything, but actually deploying police would help. At Carlisle for instance they have about 50 stood next to the away fans just waiting, with dogs, cameras and everything ready and deployed so would be in position to act (and the one time something was thrown, a group of 20 cops marched up and lifted the lad straight away). We have 10 times the away fans yet have a fraction of police deployed. They are more focused on the pissed off home fans than the away fans actually causing the problems
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The police cost money mate. The club simply don’t want to pay for them.
 
To me the only sensible place for the visiting fans now is the SE corner.
Can't be -
West, they're probably the best seats, South, singing bit, too many tickets to move
East, don't want them getting the best East seats
North, BCB behind,
NW corner, boxes above
SW corner, impinge on West/South
NE corner - BCB entrance possibly compromised.
Obviously no ST in area that is shut off for family bit, put them there, dunno how many family tickets we've sold but put them in the NS upper & sort out a new family zone for 24/25.
Problem sorted, I thank you 👍
 
Knowing safc, if any home fan took legal action against them after getting hurt due to away fans, they'll probably ban them from SoL
 
SAFC1962 said:
To me the only sensible place for the visiting fans now is the SE corner.
Can't be -
West, they're probably the best seats, South, singing bit, too many tickets to move
East, don't want them getting the best East seats
North, BCB behind,
NW corner, boxes above
SW corner, impinge on West/South
NE corner - BCB entrance possibly compromised.
Obviously no ST in area that is shut off for family bit, put them there, dunno how many family tickets we've sold but put them in the NS upper & sort out a new family zone for 24/25.
Problem sorted, I thank you 👍
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The only option they have is the NEC (as per the RAWA minutes) but it costs money mate.
 
SAFC1962 said:
To me the only sensible place for the visiting fans now is the SE corner.
Can't be -
West, they're probably the best seats, South, singing bit, too many tickets to move
East, don't want them getting the best East seats
North, BCB behind,
NW corner, boxes above
SW corner, impinge on West/South
NE corner - BCB entrance possibly compromised.
Obviously no ST in area that is shut off for family bit, put them there, dunno how many family tickets we've sold but put them in the NS upper & sort out a new family zone for 24/25.
Problem sorted, I thank you 👍
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They could put them anywhere at all and the fans would have no comeback at all. Just move their season tickets and what can they do? All of the options are viable. What they should be doing is realise that safety needs to be paramount and position them somewhere that is as safe as possible for all involved, instead of leaving themselves open to what is an inevitable future incident
 
TravellingMackem said:
Threat of execution

I have absolutely no idea what your point is tbh. You are just rambling here because you might lose your own seat. Go cry elsewhere - this is about the club actually being held to account and looking after its fans wherever the away fans are sat.
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I won’t lose my seat at all flower, and you well know that xx
Viva La southy

And if you hadn’t dived in like a divvy you would have seen have said the north lower shouldn’t be moved just because of the current away fan location isn’t working.

It’s ok, I get you have angst
 
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Hank Scorpio said:
If the aways are to stay up there, the club need to chuck the book at the arsehole element. There should have been a statement immediately after the game highlighting the issue
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The other thing that pisses me off is that the fans caught will only get a banning order and that’s it. Not even a criminal record.

If I stood on the street and pelted a flare at someone I’d be charged with assault - why is this any different?
Wearside Wanderer II said:
I won’t lose my seat at all flower, and you well know that xx
Viva La southy
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Milking it to the detriment of other Sunderland fans is a new low for you and this board tbh.
 
TravellingMackem said:
The other thing that pisses me off is that the fans caught will only get a banning order and that’s it. Not even a criminal record.

If I stood on the street and pelted a flare at someone I’d be charged with assault - why is this any different?

Milking it to the detriment of other Sunderland fans is a new low for you and this board tbh.
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Milking it 😂
Suck me plums ya raging fanny
 
Sustained social media campaign replying to every single Club post on all platforms from everyone on here. It would get traction as others realised what was going on. Something simple and repeatable #netnow or similar.

The club sharp pulled that horrific advert under pressure from the multitude of replies.
 
TravellingMackem said:
They could put them anywhere at all and the fans would have no comeback at all. Just move their season tickets and what can they do? All of the options are viable. What they should be doing is realise that safety needs to be paramount and position them somewhere that is as safe as possible for all involved, instead of leaving themselves open to what is an inevitable future incident
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It’s all about money mate and our reluctance to spend it. The aways could have easily been moved to the NEC next season but that costs the owners money

I’m willing to bet if our ownership had family in the NS, the aways would have been moved by now
 
Hank Scorpio said:
They are in the premier league - if they were in the championship they’d have the same problem.

The reality is, getting away tickets in the premier league isn’t easy. The vast majority of away fans need a large haul of loyalty points and they know if they act up, they will cop a ban. Sadly at this level, tickets make general sale and any c unt can buy one
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Except us, where only a minority of games make general sale.
 
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