SOL dropped from Euro 2028 bid?

[hardtackle]

Do you believe everything your owners tell you? You know, the same fellas that said they had nowt to do with killing khashoggi

Dunno, don't care.It seems to bother you though.What improvements did you list again?changing shearers bar back to shearers, and moving his shitty statue. Groundbreaking.

To be fair I did list a few more than that. Admittedly all stuff easily done during the first summer and not significant in isolation. But there is more to come.

And to be fair I was responding to your comment about the windows having been cleaned (implying that nothing else had happened) I was simply demonstrating that is not accurate.

The thickheed has even had a go at turkeys human rights record on here n'all.Oh, the irony

That is not what I said at all, read the context.

Don’t even know who you’re replying to here but of course your owners are committed to doing all that. And we all know why. And that’s the trade off you and the majority of your fanbase are happy to make. Doing the deal with the devil in return for shiny things.

In terms of the SoL vs SJP, SJP edges it on capacity and on recent touch ups. But the bid is about more than that.

If the bid is about more that that why didn't the SOL get picked?

In your opinion

Is there evidence suggesting this isn't the case. If the whole goal is sportswashing (which you a convinced it is) then why wouldn't they?

 

[Sea to Shining Sea]

To be fair I did list a few more than that. Admittedly all stuff easily done during the first summer and not significant in isolation. But there is more to come.

And to be fair I was responding to your comment about the windows having been cleaned (implying that nothing else had happened) I was simply demonstrating that is not accurate.

That is not what I said at all, read the context.

If the bid is about more that that why didn't the SOL get picked?

Is there evidence suggesting this isn't the case. If the whole goal is sportswashing (which you a convinced it is) then why wouldn't they?

The bid should be about more than that. I don’t know the detailed reasoning for final selection. Maybe it came down to stadium condition, maybe it came down to existing city infrastructure. They’d have to explain. Im providing my opinion as to why I think Sunderland would have been a better choice for the bid. Obviously you’ll say Newcastle is, I’ll say Sunderland. Sadly, the bid team agree with you. Maybe UEFA won’t and would have preferred more cities and venues that would represent legacy.

 

[Skylon]

To be fair I did list a few more than that. Admittedly all stuff easily done during the first summer and not significant in isolation. But there is more to come.

And to be fair I was responding to your comment about the windows having been cleaned (implying that nothing else had happened) I was simply demonstrating that is not accurate.

That is not what I said at all, read the context.

If the bid is about more that that why didn't the SOL get picked?

Is there evidence suggesting this isn't the case. If the whole goal is sportswashing (which you a convinced it is) then why wouldn't they?

They could tell brainwashed fuckers like you anything and you'd believe it

 

[hardtackle]

The bid should be about more than that. I don’t know the detailed reasoning for final selection. Maybe it came down to stadium condition, maybe it came down to existing city infrastructure. They’d have to explain. Im providing my opinion as to why I think Sunderland would have been a better choice for the bid. Obviously you’ll say Newcastle is, I’ll say Sunderland. Sadly, the bid team agree with you. Maybe UEFA won’t and would have preferred more cities and venues that would represent legacy.

Fair point and pleased you engaged rationally towards the discussion. I do understand your point about legacy btw. To be honest I wouldn't have been against both Sunderland and Newcastle hosting games for a variety of reasons but that was always highly unlikely to actually happen.

They could tell brainwashed fuckers like you anything and you'd believe it

Not really, no. When Amanda said "we will win the Champions League" I thought: "I suppose it is a possibility and I can wait for decades (hopefully) but it is highly unlikely, few teams have"

No need to be rude btw. I haven't insulted you.

 

[mad cyril]

At present, there are few good reasons to choose the SoL over SJP. Capacity is similar, SJP has had a bit of TLC recently which gives it the edge. Both have potential for redevelopment but one is looking more likely than the other at present.

However, there are good reasons to choose Sunderland over Newcastle though. The main one being legacy. It would have more of a positive impact on the development of Sunderland than Newcastle. And that’s often what the selectors of tournaments are looking for.
It’s a very good reason to choose Sunderland over Newcastle and it could even help the overall bid. I don’t know why you keep ignoring that

What do you mean by legacy ?
And also positive impact on Sunderland and not Newcastle ??

Not being cheeky or owt mate, just genuinely unsure what you mean ??

 

[hardtackle]

What do you mean by legacy ?
And also positive impact on Sunderland and not Newcastle ??

Not being cheeky or owt mate, just genuinely unsure what you mean ??

Reading between the lines I think he means Sunderland needs this legacy more than Newcastle does. Something like that I guess.

 

[Sea to Shining Sea]

What do you mean by legacy ?
And also positive impact on Sunderland and not Newcastle ??

Not being cheeky or owt mate, just genuinely unsure what you mean ??

Obviously it’d have a positive impact on either place. But in terms of long term legacy and economic impact, Sunderland would benefit far more from hosting an event like this. It could be transformative.

Also, if Sunderland was to host, there are benefits for both cities. Newcastle would pick up shortfall of tourists needing hotels and still benefit from pre / post match. Sunderland, as a developing city, would likely benefit from subsequent investment from hosting the tournament far more than Newcastle would as investment goes there anyway.

Reading between the lines I think he means Sunderland needs this legacy more than Newcastle does. Something like that I guess.

Simply put, it would be potentially more transformative for Sunderland than it would be Newcastle.

 

[Skylon]

Obviously it’d have a positive impact on either place. But in terms of long term legacy and economic impact, Sunderland would benefit far more from hosting an event like this. It could be transformative.

Also, if Sunderland was to host, there are benefits for both cities. Newcastle would pick up shortfall of tourists needing hotels and still benefit from pre / post match. Sunderland, as a developing city, would likely benefit from subsequent investment from hosting the tournament far more than Newcastle would as investment goes there anyway.


Simply put, it would be more potentially more transformative for Sunderland than it would be Newcastle.

It would be canny economically, but I don't think it would be transformative like

 

[Sea to Shining Sea]

It would be canny economically, but I don't think it would be transformative like

Had we been awarded it, it would very helpful to the Riverside / CBD transformation in the city. The council are actively seeking investment and tenants for commercial and retail property. Being a host city for a big tournament attracts those investors prior to the tournament.

 

[mad cyril]

Obviously it’d have a positive impact on either place. But in terms of long term legacy and economic impact, Sunderland would benefit far more from hosting an event like this. It could be transformative.

Also, if Sunderland was to host, there are benefits for both cities. Newcastle would pick up shortfall of tourists needing hotels and still benefit from pre / post match. Sunderland, as a developing city, would likely benefit from subsequent investment from hosting the tournament far more than Newcastle would as investment goes there anyway.

Cheers. I sort of thought that’s what you meant.
I see your point and I agree, Sunderland as a city could do with the exposure and the financial benefits more than what Newcastle could.
I imagine though that the people who make the decisions just look at it in the way that who they feel will make their tournament better at the time of kick off, and not how it could impact long after the final whistle.

FWIW, whilst personally I think Newcastle was the correct choice, I would have no doubt that the SOL and Sunderland would have put on a very good show if they were given the nod.

 

[Skylon]

Had we been awarded it, it would very helpful to the Riverside / CBD transformation in the city. The council are actively seeking investment and tenants for commercial and retail property. Being a host city for a big tournament attracts those investors prior to the tournament.

Hmmmmm.Dunno like.Have these tournaments ever left a lasting legacy, and lots of investment? I am a bit dubious

 

[Sea to Shining Sea]

Hmmmmm.Dunno like.Have these tournaments ever left a lasting legacy, and lots of investment? I am a bit dubious

The Olympics had a massive impact on Atlanta. If Sunderland had a tiny fraction of what was achieved there from hosting a tournament it would fantastic for the city.

 

[Zimba]

Had we been awarded it, it would very helpful to the Riverside / CBD transformation in the city. The council are actively seeking investment and tenants for commercial and retail property. Being a host city for a big tournament attracts those investors prior to the tournament.

Can't see it, the Euros isn't that big of a tournament. The Rugby World Cup in 2015 (which is bigger than the Euros) made absolutely no impact on places like Leicester and Exeter.

The World Cup would've though but it's not the World Cup.

 

[Qwerty]

If this was an England only bid which other 4 grounds do people think would be picked?

 

[Far Tibetan Mountain]

Man U, West Ham and Sunderland drop to reserve list. If there’s any drop outs, West Ham would get it I imagine over us.

The reserve list? In case another stadium gets injured?

 

[hardtackle]

The Olympics had a massive impact on Atlanta. If Sunderland had a tiny fraction of what was achieved there from hosting a tournament it would fantastic for the city.

I think these things always have a level of investment/growth that comes with them, but comparing an entire Olympics held in Georgia is not quite the same as a few Euro fixtures spread across 5 nations (although I note you said "fraction")

Might it have kicked your billionaire owners arses into gear a bit though. That would be the bare minimum you would expect.

The reserve list? In case another stadium gets injured?

It is in case a stadium becomes unavailable due to redevelopment etc.

Man U are on the reserve list primarily because they could not commit to thier stadium being available due to possible redevelopment.

 

[Sea to Shining Sea]

I think these things always have a level of investment/growth that comes with them, but comparing an entire Olympics held in Georgia is not quite the same as a few Euro fixtures spread across 5 nations (although I note you said "fraction")

Might it have kicked your billionaire owners arses into gear a bit though. That would be the bare minimum you would expect.

It is in case a stadium becomes unavailable due to redevelopment etc.

Man U are on the reserve list primarily because they could not commit to thier stadium being available due to possible redevelopment.

I didn’t compare them like for like. And I said a ‘tiny fraction’.

It won’t kick our billionaire owner into any action. I’m comfortable criticising our owners.

 

[Super K]

I was part of the successful Bid Team for Sunderland to be a host venue for the 2018 World Cup. This was a true partnership bid with the Club and the City Council driving the application. Middlesboro, Hartlepool, Darlington, Maiden Castle in Durham were all identified training venues, with letters for support from each of these clubs, respective LA’s and also South and North Tyneside Council’s. Travel times from Durham Tees Valley and Newcastle Airports were all within FIFA tolerance times. Fan accommodation / bed space, was much worse in the city in 2010 when we started the bid and is obviously much better now. That said, teams were obviously allocated to high class venues such as Rockcliffe,Matfen Hall, Seaham Hall etc….I recall that Lumley Castle was discounted as FIFA guidelines stipulated air conditioning was required !! Sports development was a key component and our football history and passion were brought alive in the bid. Local media too, and I recall a fantastic photo in the Echo of Nissan arranging thousands of their cars with an overhead photo showing the cars positioned as ‘2018’.

The Stadium was to be increased in capacity to circa 64k….only trouble was Sept Blatter !!

I’m not sure of the application process this time, but without the Council and the Club working together, or indeed having the appetite, it would never work. Since 2010 there is a much better stock of world class facilities in England.

 

[hardtackle]

I didn’t compare them like for like. And I said a ‘tiny fraction’.

It won’t kick our billionaire owner into any action. I’m comfortable criticising our owners.

I didn't say you compared them like for like and noted the word fraction.

I didn’t compare them like for like. And I said a ‘tiny fraction’.

It won’t kick our billionaire owner into any action. I’m comfortable criticising our owners.

Really, so should Sunderland have won you think your owners would have simply sat on their hands?

 

[TB22]

When the government claims the Euros will add Billions of income to the economy that must relate to tourism , pubs and drink sales all highly taxed,
hotels ( All with massively inflated rates ) ripping off fans. Looking at the venues proposed its not surprising that SJP was chosen due to access to rail network and airport . Some very big cities in the UK will be miles away from hosting stadiums so you can see the logic in the selection process. We should be focussing on the big stadium music events at the SOL to generate our own revenue that really helps our citys economy. Just been down to York and they make the riverside such an attraction . We should do the same with our riverside. That will come in time, as its already on the agenda .