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The Safety of Fans in the North Stand


tony_not_in_london said:
You can take out insurance against public liability of course

But given the number of incidents there have been with solid objects thrown from the away fans seats in the upper level an insurance company may well question whether SAFC have taken all reasonable steps to avoid the risk of fans being injured in the lower bowl and therefore dispute liability.

That is before we get on to any involvement of Sunderland Council’s health and safety team.

I trust the club are “well advised” because from where I sit in the East Stand the current situation is a serious accident - with severe consequences for the club and it’s executive staff - waiting to happen.
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Insurers will require safety certs and adequate safety measures to be in place.

That being said I personally have an email from the head safety officer (I’ve posted it on here prior) confirming he has researched nets and found a requirement for them but the club won’t have them.

So that’s the head safety officer on record confirming stadium safety precautions aren’t sufficient but the people above him are rejecting the necessary improvements.

Not the best position to be in when trying g to claim adequate safety measures are in place retrospective Ito any incidents.
 
Wearside Wanderer II said:
You still haven’t answered my question where you accused me.

You are having a mare here pet, time for you to foxtrot Oscar.
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No you're having a which is why you've had to resort to petty abuse. I'll not stoop to your level however so have a good night and in future try not your get yourself so wound up over someone having a difference of opinion to your own. Cheers.
 
CaptainRed said:
How long have the away fans been up there now? 10 years? How many serious injuries have occurred from them being placed up there in those 10 years?

The club Will probably see the risk factor as very low, which it is, and invest in safety measures accordingly.
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You really are acting the bellend on here mate. Against Coventry a flare was thrown and broke a seat (NS seat 29 row 9) - in that seat not 2 minutes before was a kid in nappies - so couldn’t have been more than 2/3 year old. Reckon that kids head would have done well against the flare that would have hit him had he not went for a very well timed bag of chips?

The club was tiny details away from a massive tragedy. There’s a similar report of something happening with a glass bottle this season. It is only a matter of time (at both our ground and elsewhere) before someone, probably a kid or vulnerable person, is seriously injured or worse at a football match due to idiots who think throwing shit from a massive height is acceptable.

I’ve reported this to the club and Steve Neil (who needs to resign frankly - should be disgusted with the “job” he’s doing) multiple times, so when something does unfortunately happen there is a portfolio of evidence to take the club to court, which I will make available to anyone who needs it. I know many others at supporters associations and things have done the same. I’ve warned the club many times and so have many others - this is just negligent on their part now and they should be stripped of their safety certificate tbh.
 
samaistonsrightfoot said:
Insurers will require safety certs and adequate safety measures to be in place.

That being said I personally have an email from the head safety officer (I’ve posted it on here prior) confirming he has researched nets and found a requirement for them but the club won’t have them.

So that’s the head safety officer on record confirming stadium safety precautions aren’t sufficient but the people above him are rejecting the necessary improvements.

Not the best position to be in when trying g to claim adequate safety measures are in place retrospective Ito any incidents.
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Quite

You do wonder about the sanity of people making current decisions about “searches”, deciding against safety nets, confiscating coins and vapes….from away fans admitting to having them, and generally fiddling while Rome burns

What do they think will happen the first time a Sunderland fan in the lower tier- possibly a child gets seriously injured by a flying bottle/smoke bomb/coin etc thrown from above?

And yes there was an idiot at our end who threw a bottle on to the pitch so it is not only away fans but the issue was once again thrown into sharp relief by the smoke bomb incident today
 
tony_not_in_london said:
Quite

You do wonder about the sanity of people making current decisions about “searches”, deciding against safety nets, confiscating coins and vapes….from away fans admitting to having them, and generally fiddling while Rome burns

What do they think will happen the first time a Sunderland fan in the lower tier- possibly a child gets seriously injured by a flying bottle/smoke bomb/coin etc thrown from above?

And yes there was an idiot at our end who threw a bottle on to the pitch so it is not only away fans but the issue was once again thrown into sharp relief by the smoke bomb incident today
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It’s canny mental they get legal tender took off them but are allowed to crack on with smoke bombs/flares.
 
CaptainRed said:
How long have the away fans been up there now? 10 years? How many serious injuries have occurred from them being placed up there in those 10 years?

The club Will probably see the risk factor as very low, which it is, and invest in safety measures accordingly.
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I’ve sat there for years and I agree
 
CaptainRed said:
No you're having a which is why you've had to resort to petty abuse. I'll not stoop to your level however so have a good night and in future try not your get yourself so wound up over someone having a difference of opinion to your own. Cheers.
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You accused me of something I hadn’t said or done.
Next time, think before posting lies.
There’s a good boy.
 
TravellingMackem said:
You really are acting the bellend on here mate. Against Coventry a flare was thrown and broke a seat (NS seat 29 row 9) - in that seat not 2 minutes before was a kid in nappies - so couldn’t have been more than 2/3 year old. Reckon that kids head would have done well against the flare that would have hit him had he not went for a very well timed bag of chips?

The club was tiny details away from a massive tragedy. There’s a similar report of something happening with a glass bottle this season. It is only a matter of time (at both our ground and elsewhere) before someone, probably a kid or vulnerable person, is seriously injured or worse at a football match due to idiots who think throwing shit from a massive height is acceptable.

I’ve reported this to the club and Steve Neil (who needs to resign frankly - should be disgusted with the “job” he’s doing) multiple times, so when something does unfortunately happen there is a portfolio of evidence to take the club to court, which I will make available to anyone who needs it. I know many others at supporters associations and things have done the same. I’ve warned the club many times and so have many others - this is just negligent on their part now and they should be stripped of their safety certificate tbh.
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Lad a few posts up sits in the North Stand and agrees with me.

And you saying the club should be stripped of their safety certificate is absolutely pathetic. SoL is one of the safest stadiums in the country.
 
CaptainRed said:
None of that has ever happened though. You can't take action for things that haven't and might never happen. I remember I got put on my arse as a 15 year old at an away game at Birmingham back in '83 which was the first time I'd ever been punched! Got up dusted myself down and that was that. It never crossed my mind never to go to another away game in case I got hurt.
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Yeah I'm sure there is an argument for being proactive than reactive. I mean some drunk bastard could drive his car every night and not kill someone but you would say let's wait for it to happen before we do something about it.

Extreme comparison of course but ultimately at some point the odds will work against you, someone will get badly hurt and then everyone will say we've been saying this for years. And the club will get sued to fuck and have to change it round and some poor bastard will have a serious injury at best just because they wanted to watch a football match.
 
CaptainRed said:
Away fans have been up there a decade or thereabouts. How many kids have been injured in all those years then?
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Are you being intentionally stupid? Or are you just totally oblivious to the point? What if it had been one kid injured in those 10 years? Is not that one too many? My lads mate who is 9 had a vape pen hit him on the head from the away fans. But tell you what, next home match right, I'll head up to the premier concourse, you can sit right below me in the lower bowl. I'll throw an object like a vape, and if it hits you on the head, feel free to let me know how that felt from such a distance. Please don't forget to let me know.

I'm fairly certain you'd have a different approach if it was you the one who was hit by am object. Fact is there's been far too many incidents with objects thrown, and a lot of them since league one days. It needs knocking on the head as the club are seriously lucky that smoke bomb landed in the first row of the away end rather than several feet below onto some ones head.

Club are walking an extremely tight rope at the minute and the away fans need moved to the lower bowl as the quickest possible opportunity.
 
McGregor said:
Are you being intentionally stupid? Or are you just totally oblivious to the point? What if it had been one kid injured in those 10 years? Is not that one too many? My lads mate who is 9 had a vape pen hit him on the head from the away fans. But tell you what, next home match right, I'll head up to the premier concourse, you can sit right below me in the lower bowl. I'll throw an object like a vape, and if it hits you on the head, feel free to let me know how that felt from such a distance. Please don't forget to let me know.

I'm fairly certain you'd have a different approach if it was you the one who was hit by am object. Fact is there's been far too many incidents with objects thrown, and a lot of them since league one days. It needs knocking on the head as the club are seriously lucky that smoke bomb landed in the first row of the away end rather than several feet below onto some ones head.

Club are walking an extremely tight rope at the minute and the away fans need moved to the lower bowl as the quickest possible opportunity.
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Objects used to get thrown back and forth from the SWC when away fans were in the South Stand. My nephew used to stand next to the divide and was hit by a coin and ended up with a cut on his forehead. It happens unfortunately. Our fans throw things, opposition fans throw things. The only way to stop it is play in front of an empty stadium. Is that what you are after?
 
CaptainRed said:
Objects used to get thrown back and forth from the SWC when away fans were in the South Stand. My nephew used to stand next to the divide and was hit by a coin and ended up with a cut on his forehead. It happens unfortunately. Our fans throw things, opposition fans throw things. The only way to stop it is play in front of an empty stadium. Is that what you are after?
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Objects thrown from across are far more likely to be less serious in causing injuries than ones thrown from such a height.. You're reducing the risk.. You can't stop the risk, it's nigh on impossible.. The club need to do all they can to reduce the risk and they haven't don't a single tjing
 
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