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Selling the soul of your club to be successful


CissesUnderpants9 said:
Can I ask why ? Why don’t you want success, why do we always have to wait for jam tomorrow.
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I do want success, of course I do, It just doesn't enter my thinking that it can be demanded, ever, why would it? I understand the will but not the entitlement?

I think it should be earned through a relatively fair playing field and or employing better strategy than the next club, not through any means necessary.
 
dom said:
Do you wish the Saudis would buy us or do you think football is finished going down this route of highest bidder takes all?
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I think that the end game for the Saudis etc is pretty clear. Buy up major clubs from leading leagues. Make themselves powerful with EUFA

Take those clubs out of their leagues into some kind of permanent Champions league with no promotion or relegation, games played internationally, rather than at home grounds, key cup finals hosted in the middle east, all geared towards viewers on line and on TV

The question is whether these competitions will be meaningful to fans of clubs like Newcastle whose history, culture and values will be sacrifced
 
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I wouldn’t want to be owned by the government of nations with questionable human rights records etc.

If we were to become Red Bull Sunderland or something I’d probably accept it as long as they didn’t change too much about us. Their main colours are red and white, and Salzburg had a red and white striped home kit a couple of years back so at least our kit would be safe!
 
Coeus said:
I do want success, of course I do, It just doesn't enter my thinking that it can be demanded, ever, why would it? I understand the will but not the entitlement?

I think it should be earned through a relatively fair playing field and or employing better strategy than the next club, not through any means necessary.
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You see the game isn't fair, and hasn't been for sometime, is all about logistics and who's got the most money, has been for decades now, the reason why any means necessary is the way to go is simple, unless we are happy to sit and watch newcastle, win a trophy, which is quite possible given the money they now have, we need to be spending the required amount to get out of the championship, and then get back in the premer league, and then get the required, funds to actually compete with the best. fair playing field doesn't exist at the top of the table of football.
 
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CissesUnderpants9 said:
You see the game isn't fair, and hasn't been for sometime, is all about logistics and who's got the most money, has been for decades now, the reason why any means necessary is the way to go is simple, unless we are happy to sit and watch newcastle, win a trophy, which is quite possible given the money they now have, we need to be spending the required amount to get out of the championship, and then get back in the premer league, and then get the required, funds to actually compete with the best. fair playing field doesn't exist at the top of the table of football.
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You could argue that to be the case since the games creation, more money in the game whilst warping things also creates opportunities.

But the Newcastle stuff is what the threads about, if you're so keen to go toe to toe with them now and see no problem with how they do it, thats fine, its not for me. Nor is the fuck it, live for the day mantra.
 
Think there's so many super rich owners now, that it will take a lot more than just money to get any success. It's even taken Man City over a decade to get where they are now and they've yet to win a Champions League. PSG, should walk every game, yet they don't. Money helps, but look at the scattergun approach from Chelsea's new owner, his plan was just buy other clubs targets. Man U are on the verge of another big takeover, Liverpool will no doubt follow in the near future....bigger sides again with even bigger pockets.

Point is, everyone's got money these days, it's only those with an actual plan that will see any fruit.
 
Mickdundee said:
I wouldn’t want to be owned by the government of nations with questionable human rights records etc.

If we were to become Red Bull Sunderland or something I’d probably accept it as long as they didn’t change too much about us. Their main colours are red and white, and Salzburg had a red and white striped home kit a couple of years back so at least our kit would be safe!
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I'd have given my left arm for red bull to have taken us on a couple of seasons ago given how desperate I was for some semblance of intelligent ownership. Since the Saudi stuff I've soured on it a little, as there does seem to be a point where a club stops being that club anymore.
 
CissesUnderpants9 said:
You see the game isn't fair, and hasn't been for sometime, is all about logistics and who's got the most money, has been for decades now, the reason why any means necessary is the way to go is simple, unless we are happy to sit and watch newcastle, win a trophy, which is quite possible given the money they now have, we need to be spending the required amount to get out of the championship, and then get back in the premer league, and then get the required, funds to actually compete with the best. fair playing field doesn't exist at the top of the table of football.
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Only because the football authorities have allowed our game to become a Sports Washers playground

Nobody can convince me there is any glory in the mags selling their arses to the Saudis then winning anything simply by recycling their blood money - there is no achievement in that and football is supposed to be a sport.

If our strategy pays off and we build the club on the best youth development strategy, an effective talent identification network, cutting edge coaching and the occasional buy of the likes of LND then we will have achieved something worthwhile

And in the meantime I’m enjoying watching the lads try - even when we get beat - at least now they don’t just give up

Meanwhile it should not be beyond the wit of the FA to limit the resources a club has at its disposal to a link to how much they raise from fans and how much they earn from winning things…having some murderous dictator just come in and tip money into say Doncaster Rovers until they win everything reduces it to a bogus competition that eventually people will lose interest in

And breathe 😂
 
tony_not_in_london said:
Only because the football authorities have allowed our game to become a Sports Washers playground

Nobody can convince me there is any glory in the mags selling their arses to the Saudis then winning anything simply by recycling their blood money - there is no achievement in that and football is supposed to be a sport.

If our strategy pays off and we build the club on the best youth development strategy, an effective talent identification network, cutting edge coaching and the occasional buy of the likes of LND then we will have achieved something worthwhile

And in the meantime I’m enjoying watching the lads try - even when we get beat - at least now they don’t just give up

Meanwhile it should not be beyond the wit of the FA to limit the resources a club has at its disposal to a link to how much they raise from fans and how much they earn from winning things…having some murderous dictator just come in and tip money into say Doncaster Rovers until they win everything reduces it to a bogus competition that eventually people will lose interest in

And breathe 😂
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Yet in the days to come when history is written if they are successful, the sliverware is all that will be remembered, just like manchester city and chelsea, you say doncaster, but i would of went for Wrexham. in the summer, they will be spending. i would think so.
 
Lankester Merrin said:
I think that the end game for the Saudis etc is pretty clear. Buy up major clubs from leading leagues. Make themselves powerful with EUFA

Take those clubs out of their leagues into some kind of permanent Champions league with no promotion or relegation, games played internationally, rather than at home grounds, key cup finals hosted in the middle east, all geared towards viewers on line and on TV

The question is whether these competitions will be meaningful to fans of clubs like Newcastle whose history, culture and values will be sacrifced
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That is exactly correct. However, think back to the last European League proposal? It was stopped by fans of Chelsea, Arsenal and Man Utd. They took a moral stand against it. It was fans saying we can stop this as it's wrong. The moral vacuum that is the Newcastle fanbase would welcome a European Super League with open arms. I am still amazed how there is zero uncomfortableness about their ownership. They contrast so clearly with those big club fans who stopped the Euro League.
Coeus said:
I'd have given my left arm for red bull to have taken us on a couple of seasons ago given how desperate I was for some semblance of intelligent ownership. Since the Saudi stuff I've soured on it a little, as there does seem to be a point where a club stops being that club anymore.
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With Newcastle their owner was the worldwide pariah after having Khashoggi murdered so it really is on a different level. Maybe Putin will be looking to invest in a few years.
 
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Lucky1985 said:
I’m honestly at a point now where’s I don’t think I want us to get promoted.

We won’t ever break into the top 6 unless there are systemic changes in the football league system, and so I’m enjoying being one of the bigger fish in the pond that is the championship this season where we don’t desperately need to win and losing doesn’t ruin my weekend
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It’s a great post this and I was even thinking when we got promoted last season, no more trips to Cheltenham and Cambridge etc. I think I prefer us in these divisions other than the premier
 
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