TheRey
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So it's football fans fault that officials and the authorities are useless? Righto
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So it's football fans fault that officials and the authorities are useless? Righto
Sallycinamon
Midfield
I think if there’s an understanding of the decision then a bit of reasoning will come into play, yes. Some of those decisions in the WC, we had no idea what they were for!
The problem is that in football the vast majority of big decisions are contentious. They can literally be argued either way and regularly do so. For every decision that is deemed 'disgraceful' there is another manager / set of fans saying the ref got it right. In rugby there is a culture of sensible rationale where they understand that when a decision is contentious the referee still needs to make a decision and they accept it. In football what happens is that you get an absolute meltdown by those who haven't benefitted from the decision and an absolute deluge of unjustified vitriol heaped on the referee. It's probably what I despise most about the game.
If you miced referees up it would just open them up to more abuse. Can you imagine a scenario where a referee calmly attempts to talk through their decision making process? It would just be an invitation to aggrieved fans and players to further lambast referees for not giving the 50/50 decision in their favour. Can you honestly see an opposing manager listening to the explanation and saying 'ah right you are, that's fair enough then.' Of course they wouldn't.
Football fans need to get used to the idea that most handball decisions and penalty calls are not binary judgements. It's quite reasonable to appreciate that in many circumstances the award of a penalty or a red card can be justifiably deemed to go either way.
The referees are not the problem (most of the time) but rather the toxic culture around attitudes to referees.
My solution would be for referees to strike for a month and tell managers to co - ref the games and see how they get on.
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viccarlton
Striker
What needs removing are 99% of broadcasters cameras then we’d be back to where we used to be…….none the wiser, but at least the game wouldn’t be taking forever.
samaistonsrightfoot
Striker
Need extra technology to make sure VAR is correct.
AC Mack
Striker
Just looking over a couple of threads from a decade back:
Man in the stands with reply availability
It's the 21 century is it not? the Ref should have a screen in his back pocket and just get it out when he wants a replay simple as that. He only has to hold his f***ing head up and look at the big screen if that's not big enough for him god help us. Pisstake surely?
www.readytogo.net
Am I the only one that hates the idea of technology in football?
The only rule I would like to be changed is if it hits your hand in the box it's a penalty. That rule would be universal throughout football not just for matches that are recorded. Is goal line technology an issue outside of English football...?
www.readytogo.net
Goal line technology
We'll soon realise how little this occurs* and what a waste of time it is. More officials (on the post) allowed to make decisions, unlike their use in the Europa League, is the answer. They should be able to see every goal-line decision and every foul/dive from players running towards them...
www.readytogo.net
Argument against video technology
Has been mainly around the fact it's someone all levels of football ( world cup to Sunday league ) would not be able to invest in In the prem there are now 4 officials all 'miked' up, I doubt this is the case lower down the leagues ?
www.readytogo.net
FA call for goal-line technology
from @SkySportsMobile Sky Sports Mobile twitter FA statement: #BWFC #QPR The Football Association issue a statement calling for goal-line technology to be introduced "as soon as possible" Still doubt anything will happen, and seems an unusually quick response to the qpr incident
www.readytogo.net
Video refs - not always the perfect answer
Been a bit of craic on here about video refs and the like. Couple of people pointed out that, regardless of the technology, you still have people (and all their fallibilities) in charge. Here's a case in point, from Russia's Kontinental Hockey League (link in English) You must be logged on...
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What Can We Do About The State Of OUR Game?
Amazing because that clearly shows theres none There doesn't have to be contact for a foul to be given anyway.
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@Matnab, you might be interested in some of these threads from 10-12 years ago (before your time here, I believe) when the debate was raging.
Never happen. I think it was brought in because of the foreign ownerships and them wanting laws to be “literal” as we see by a toe offside
all the big hitters are foreign owned now so it’s never going away .
it’s won me and cost me a few winners this season and I’m just trying to work out how to play it and it’s mainly by only betting mainly, when games are in play
you might as well bray your head into a brick wall , then asking for it to be taken away
ferryhill mackem
Striker
would love to have heard what they were saying on var when they made them shocking decisions last weekend. fans would have been kicking off even more
Harry Gates
Winger
VAR Oversight Committee
Somebody mentioned respect for the ref and I agree with that. I played (semi) professional rugby and a wrong word to a ref got you marched back ten yards and loads of grief from team mates.
Being a ref in football today is a thankless task. Abuse all round. Needs to stop and the only way is to have a tough approach. Move the free kick ten yards on if someone speaks out of turn. They’ll soon shut up.
Incidentally think Mason has been hung out to dry to hide the faults in the system.
Or maybe if they were having a proper discussion they’d have reached the right decision?
ferryhill mackem
Striker
certainly not by the fans. do you hear of fans in the football league wanting var?
So it's football fans fault that officials and the authorities are useless? Righto
The officials aren't useless though, that's the point.
Just looking over a couple of threads from a decade back:
Man in the stands with reply availability
It's the 21 century is it not? the Ref should have a screen in his back pocket and just get it out when he wants a replay simple as that. He only has to hold his f***ing head up and look at the big screen if that's not big enough for him god help us. Pisstake surely?
Am I the only one that hates the idea of technology in football?
The only rule I would like to be changed is if it hits your hand in the box it's a penalty. That rule would be universal throughout football not just for matches that are recorded. Is goal line technology an issue outside of English football...?
Goal line technology
We'll soon realise how little this occurs* and what a waste of time it is. More officials (on the post) allowed to make decisions, unlike their use in the Europa League, is the answer. They should be able to see every goal-line decision and every foul/dive from players running towards them...
Argument against video technology
Has been mainly around the fact it's someone all levels of football ( world cup to Sunday league ) would not be able to invest in In the prem there are now 4 officials all 'miked' up, I doubt this is the case lower down the leagues ?
FA call for goal-line technology
from @SkySportsMobile Sky Sports Mobile twitter FA statement: #BWFC #QPR The Football Association issue a statement calling for goal-line technology to be introduced "as soon as possible" Still doubt anything will happen, and seems an unusually quick response to the qpr incident
Video refs - not always the perfect answer
Been a bit of craic on here about video refs and the like. Couple of people pointed out that, regardless of the technology, you still have people (and all their fallibilities) in charge. Here's a case in point, from Russia's Kontinental Hockey League (link in English) You must be logged on...
What Can We Do About The State Of OUR Game?
Amazing because that clearly shows theres none There doesn't have to be contact for a foul to be given anyway.
@Matnab, you might be interested in some of these threads from 10-12 years ago (before your time here, I believe) when the debate was raging.
Its great to look back and see how people viewed the onset of technology. I'm actually more interested around the debate relating to fans approaches to officiating and the complete lack of any desire to 'play fair' when it comes to referees. I'm a tourist here but on my clubs forum (Bradford City) the stuff about officiating usually comes from the mindset of a 5 year old ie. Every single decision that goes against us is incorrect. They usually flag up a vaguely similar incident from 8 years ago that doesn't really bare any resemblance to the one in question to moan about 'consistency'. Most of the 'huge injustices' are usually correct decisions. It's generally the same on here.
ferryhill mackem
Striker
they don't need a proper discussion to spot a blatant offside or to draw the lines against the correct defender when looking on a screen
viccarlton
Striker
But only for blatantly obvious mistakes, you know the ones I mean, the ones that even Stevie Wonder couldn’t get wrong.
Somebody should have been asking questions
AC Mack
Striker
'I'm a fan, of course I'm not going to be objective' is about the best you can hope from those people.
