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National Glass Centre to move

Kevj said:
Those saying it’s shoddy construction should probably wait until the reason it needs extensive rework is made known.

I worked on a job years ago where the privately owned building needed all residents to chip in a large chunk of cash because the sheet piled wall in front was beginning to fail due to accelerated low water corrosion.

The original contractor had no involvement in the sheet piled wall which was already in place and an assessment of the additional loading had been made on the assumption the sheet piled wall wasn’t subject to significant levels of corrosion (not within their scope of work).

It might be shoddy workmanship, it might not.

I will be interested in knowing what the reasons are.
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Definitely, it could be design, could be structural design (although I doubt that).
Unless it's design and build the construction company won't be at fault. Designers/architects often specify suppliers for specialist materials (like that glass roof) and the builder would just build to specifications.
There could be 100 reasons.
 

Will e said:
Definitely, it could be design, could be structural design (although I doubt that).
Unless it's design and build the construction company won't be at fault. Designers/architects often specify suppliers for specialist materials (like that glass roof) and the builder would just build to specifications.
There could be 100 reasons.
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It could be tidal action washing fines from under the foundations which means there’s movement in the roof which wasn’t adequately considered during design. As you say, it could be many reasons.
 
Kevj said:
It could be tidal action washing fines from under the foundations which means there’s movement in the roof which wasn’t adequately considered during design. As you say, it could be many reasons.
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In my experience they massively over engineer for things like that, even back then, but like your earlier post the river retaining walls could have something to do with it.
 
Kevj said:
It could be tidal action washing fines from under the foundations which means there’s movement in the roof which wasn’t adequately considered during design. As you say, it could be many reasons.
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There was a collapse of the river wall on the South side near the University accommodation blocks a few months ago.
 
Will e said:
In my experience they massively over engineer for things like that, even back then, but like your earlier post the river retaining walls could have something to do with it.
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I did another one at McNultys on the south side of the Tyne where we needed foundations for a temporary building (which eventually was there far, far longer than planned).
The proximity to the river meant the ground would be subject to varying pore water pressure. We dug a trial pit and monitored the ground water levels which followed high and low tide but with around a two hour lag.
We decided to pile to rock formation level rather than rely on traditional foundations as the bearing capacity could not be relied on.

The point I’m making is that design considerations (or a lack thereof) can cause an issue elsewhere if the whole range of environmental conditions are not catered for.
EDGE said:
There was a collapse of the river wall on the South side near the University accommodation blocks a few months ago.
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There was. Someone posted a picture of it.
 
Kevj said:
I did another one at McNultys on the south side of the Tyne where we needed foundations for a temporary building (which eventually was there far, far longer than planned).
The proximity to the river meant the ground would be subject to varying pore water pressure. We dug a trial pit and monitored the ground water levels which followed high and low tide but with around a two hour lag.
We decided to pile to rock formation level rather than rely on traditional foundations as the bearing capacity could not be relied on.

The point I’m making is that design considerations (or a lack thereof) can cause an issue elsewhere if the whole range of environmental conditions are not catered for.


There was. Someone posted a picture of it.
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I imagine the M&E replacement costs will be significant, nevermind glazing replacement. Prelims and temporary works will be significant if they need to keep the building running during refurbishment works.
 
Kevj said:
I did another one at McNultys on the south side of the Tyne where we needed foundations for a temporary building (which eventually was there far, far longer than planned).
The proximity to the river meant the ground would be subject to varying pore water pressure. We dug a trial pit and monitored the ground water levels which followed high and low tide but with around a two hour lag.
We decided to pile to rock formation level rather than rely on traditional foundations as the bearing capacity could not be relied on.

The point I’m making is that design considerations (or a lack thereof) can cause an issue elsewhere if the whole range of environmental conditions are not catered for.


There was. Someone posted a picture of it.
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Wasnt mandela house was it?😀
 
Paddy O'Dors said:
The bloke you're replying to is a cultural dinosaur. Thinks art is pretentious and queers and pansies.
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the exhibition in there at the moment, the one that was on during the xmas holidays, is fantastic. its free, you can just walk in and spend 20 minutes gawping at these amazing glass sculptures.

people should do it more often. put your phone down and go and stare at, examine, critique, praise, tut at, take a photo, talk about or just glance at a piece of art.

especially art made in sunderland. why not
 
SuperGerryHarrison said:
Really interested to know how the building has only managed to have a 30 year lifespan.

Either way, it’s a bit shambolic and reflects badly on the city that we lose this as a outright attraction, as opposed to a gallery in another building.
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They get plenty of bus trips coming in, it'll be a shame to lose it.
 
Butcher's Coat said:
The construction company and the surveying company who built this needs taking through hands.
This building was on the site of North Sands shipyard IIRC.
What has gone wrong with the structure in less than 25 years?
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Poor quality foundations or corrosion due to sea air ?
 
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