Hep
Striker
This is quite easy: they go around the sun due to a gravitational attraction. An elliptical orbit is perfectly viable.
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Put a flat earthier into space
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Nukehasslefan
Winger
How can you tell that's a pilot flying over a supposed globe?
Pink Panther
Striker
If you take a ball and hold it level with your eyes (you don't really need to hold it level, but I don't want you to miss it), the edge that you see is the horizon. Your argument is based on the fact that you don't know what you're talking about.
Nukehasslefan
Winger
If it's perfectly viable then can you explain how this elliptical orbit around this sun happens?
Yes, I've heard this argument. The edge of a ball. But how does an edge happen from eye level?
I'll make it easier.
Your feet are on the sand at the shore. You know your globe has to offer a downward curvature from this point. Your globe could offer nothing else bearing in mind what you go with.
Now you have to view that sea with your eyes. 5 feet or so higher. No way can any horizon become visible...only the sky.
It's not and never will be feasible.
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Pink Panther
Striker
What on earth are you talking about? You make no sense at all.
Hep
Striker
yes, very easily. A gravitational field can have an easily balanced elliptical orbit. It happens when the planets came into existence. You can play with these forces here..
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The link I provided shows how. Are you deliberately being thick?
You can suggest all you want but we all know your suggestions are wrong
Nukehasslefan
Winger
So you keep saying.
A bit like every single thing you have posted
Nukehasslefan
Winger
Any reason as to why that os and why that correlates with an orbit around a supposed massive ball of fire?
Can you explain what's happening?
Pink Panther
Striker
Well start putting a bit thought into what you say.
Hep
Striker
Yes, a planet is orbiting the sun in an elliptical orbit.
As I said, this can be shown with a telescope from Aldi.
I see he's diverted it away from workable distances between cities to saying horizons can't exist because he deliberately misunderstands the concept
DaveH
Striker
That sort of thing takes me back.
Years ago (early 90s) a lot of computer magazines contained a programming section. You had no internet, new software was hard to come by so people used to play with programming their own stuff, usually fun graphics and sounds. Gravity simulations were quite a common one*. They followed fairly basic rules. You have a gravitational mass in the centre acting like a big magnet or attractive force. That field follows an inverse square law, so the further away you are from it, the gravitational force is proportional to one divided by that distance squared (1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16 etc). You then fire a particle past it (but not directly at it), it has forward momentum and will try to remain on it's course, but gravity pulls at it and at each stage has an influence.
You could experiment, because the faster the particle or the further away, the less it was affected. If you fired something slow and close, then it would quickly spiral into it's doom. But get it just right and it would go into an orbit. In certain situations that could be an elliptical orbit.
Basically it was a graphical demo and was the result of combining two equations together. One a Newtonian equation of linear motion along with Keplers law of gravitation. It would take a few hours to write such programs, and then after half an hour of playing with the result you felt you had done most things with it. But combine a few of these things together, along with some smooth animation techniques and you start to build a physics engine for a game.
It was a way people could pass the time in the 90s, with a computer but no SMB, no YouTube and no Twitter.
The interesting thing is, that just these two rules could be used to create circular orbits, elliptical obits or something would fly into your 'system' do a parabolic curve around the central mass but have enough velocity to escape again, exactly like comets do. Just two basic rules and 50 lines of BASIC programming and you could have a crude representation of what we can actually observe.
* For those interested, other common ones were fractals and fractal landscapes, Game of Life cell simulation (
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The Snockerty Friddle
Winger
Why does he need to?
Why does it need to?
You don't need to
That's really not made anything any easier.
Only in the crazy world of Nukhasselvision where you can only see in one very narrow and straight line, like no-one ever sees. What do you have against the perfectly normal field of view? Why do you insist on not being able or allowed to see above or below your direct eyeline?
Except that it is and always was.
DaveH
Striker
If only one of us had produced a mathematical model of an object at height above a sphere and calculating the field of view needed to see the edge of the sphere (lets not call it a horizon, just in case of reinvented language).
Oh come to think of it, I did, but I think this one was dismissed as “magic maths”.
BigPete
Striker
In my mind it read that with the chucklevision tune
Can't get rid now fs
Nukie nukie vision..
Nukie vision!
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DaveH
Striker
I spotted this on the James Webb thread, that I missed when it was first posted:
An interesting insight into the way a number of conspiracy theorists work and how the press can fuel some of it. Take something that was said completely out of context, ignore the rest of what is being said and make a sensational story out of it. Then the rest of the press fight each other to publish the same and not be left out of not publishing the story. Not many people attempted to verify it and it becomes fact in the eyes of many, despite being a load of bollocks.
The internet makes these things happen quicker, but the format is not new. It was just years ago the spread was slower and the press had more control over the bullshit.
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An interesting insight into the way a number of conspiracy theorists work and how the press can fuel some of it. Take something that was said completely out of context, ignore the rest of what is being said and make a sensational story out of it. Then the rest of the press fight each other to publish the same and not be left out of not publishing the story. Not many people attempted to verify it and it becomes fact in the eyes of many, despite being a load of bollocks.
The internet makes these things happen quicker, but the format is not new. It was just years ago the spread was slower and the press had more control over the bullshit.
