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Strauss and his stupid ideas....

Provider said:
It doesn't at all but my point was that you didn't mention the main point of the thread at all in your first post on it. You did go onto it later but I thought it was a really strange thing to focus on initially amongst all of the good chat on the thread.
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Wasn’t strange for me as it is indicative of some of posters on here, incapable of respectful debate, like I said earlier could not understand why people could not disagree with his proposals but at the same time respect him.

All to frequently some prefer and yes the minority to calling such a respectful figure in the game all sorts of names just because he has come up with some ideas they disagree with
 

Voice of fair play said:
Some have though and should be embarrassed, the respect Strauss has is fully deserved.

And he simply deserves better than ridiculous name calling that some posters (not you) have called him, I am sure of it.

He has been given a very difficult task due to the mistake of having two short format competitions in the calendar.

I for one have sympathy for him trying to find room when there isn’t room.
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Respect as what? You respect people for something they've done and Strauss has done quite a few things worthy of respect. However, that doesn't extend to his performance review. Why should we remain quiet at the strangulation of County Cricket? Frankly we should be making as much of a fuss of it as it's possible to make.

Have got great respect for the arguments The Rat usually makes but this time I don't agree and it sounds too close to saying because The Hundred won't be abandoned (I dont necessarily agree with that either) we shouldn't argue against it. Nah. The Hundred is a big fat eccentric mistake and everything that flows out as a consequence create vastly more problems elsewhere in the game.

The Counties need to toughen up if they're to survive and take notice that their main enemy is the ECB and reviews like that undertake by Strauss.

ps Peace to The Rat. Great poster.
 
Provider said:
I'll be honest fella, and I think you're a cracking poster, you are the one who has gone on and on about the abuse. Yes, there were some needless comments early on in the thread but most other posters want to talk about the proposals and you're the one who keeps mentioning having a go at Strauss
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Rightly so as there’s no objectivity

I am not even sure they’ve read the proposals

Just “cancel the 100”…aye great insight

Just take it thats not going and let’s discuss what can be done in the mean time

Won’t even have that conversation, not productive and not what’s needed

The 100 isn’t getting cancelled after 2 seasons like, we might all want that but it’s never ever going to happen, even with the new chairman. They’re committed to it.

Why can’t we just discuss what the best schedule should be in the meantime instead of all this childish nonsense

And I speak as someone who has been a regular at county cricket since I was at primary school.
Bri said:
Respect as what? You respect people for something they've done and Strauss has done quite a few things worthy of respect. However, that doesn't extend to his performance review. Why should we remain quiet at the strangulation of County Cricket? Frankly we should be making as much of a fuss of it as it's possible to make.

Have got great respect for the arguments The Rat usually makes but this time I don't agree and it sounds too close to saying because The Hundred won't be abandoned (I dont necessarily agree with that either) we shouldn't argue against it. Nah. The Hundred is a big fat eccentric mistake and everything that flows out as a consequence create vastly more problems elsewhere in the game.

The Counties need to toughen up if they're to survive and take notice that their main enemy is the ECB and reviews like that undertake by Strauss.

ps Peace to The Rat. Great poster.
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No I never said that you haven’t read what I’ve said

I’ve also not said people shouldn’t voice their opinion about it, I certainly have

What I am saying is in the next broadcast deal it’s not getting cancelled even if every county member protested outside ecb headquarters they are gonna give it ago

Now is the time to focus on how we can get the best schedule for county cricket and debate it, not just put your fingers in you ears and just say “nah not thinking about that cancel the 100”

I really hope our county chairman aren’t burying their head in the sand like some on here as we’d end up with a nightmare scenario
brandon said:
You don’t get the concept of a discussion/debate do you?

So again, anything to add regarding the proposals? Without mentioning Play Stations….
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No you don’t

You’ve not debated anything at all, not once! That’s the point I’m making!

The 100 is here the next few years at least, that the reality, you can deny that if you want but it’s true

So do you want to stick to the same structure we had this year alongside it? Because I dont

Total mess

No red ball cricket in august and t20 games taking place at 2pm on weekdays

Now your “debate” is not to even discuss that and just say “cancel the 100”

Well that ain’t happening so in the mean time we need to discuss what the best schedule for county fans looks like
 
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The Rat said:
Rightly so as there’s no objectivity

I am not even sure they’ve read the proposals

Just “cancel the 100”…aye great insight

Just take it thats not going and let’s discuss what can be done in the mean time

Won’t even have that conversation, not productive and not what’s needed

The 100 isn’t getting cancelled after 2 seasons like, we might all want that but it’s never ever going to happen, even with the new chairman. They’re committed to it.

Why can’t we just discuss what the best schedule should be in the meantime instead of all this childish nonsense

And I speak as someone who has been a regular at county cricket since I was at primary school.


No I never said that you haven’t read what I’ve said

I’ve also not said people shouldn’t voice their opinion about it, I certainly have

What I am saying is in the next broadcast deal it’s not getting cancelled even if every county member protested outside ecb headquarters they are gonna give it ago

Now is the time to focus on how we can get the best schedule for county cricket and debate it, not just put your fingers in you ears and just say “nah not thinking about that cancel the 100”

I really hope our county chairman aren’t burying their head in the sand like some on here as we’d end up with a nightmare scenario


No you don’t

You’ve not debated anything at all, not once! That’s the point I’m making!

The 100 is here the next few years at least, that the reality, you can deny that if you want but it’s true

So do you want to stick to the same structure we had this year alongside it? Because I dont

Total mess

No red ball cricket in august and t20 games taking place at 2pm on weekdays

Now your “debate” is not to even discuss that and just say “cancel the 100”

Well that ain’t happening so in the mean time we need to discuss what the best schedule for county fans looks like
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Burying your head in the sand and refusing to address the problem, of which the hundred is only the one aspect, thats what im hearing from you. The Hundred is a problem, why cant we say so?
Because, according to you, its not going anywhere. If we were to follow that logic, we won't be able to debate much. The Hundred is a problem. What's the point of a performance review to improve Test cricket without discussing all of the issues, problems and obstacles of which the Hundred is one and the penalty for not addressing it will be to negate the whole point of the review.

My view is, to support Test cricket means you need to support 1st class cricket which means to support the Championship which means the Counties. The Hundred must go, it has no place.

So we get a Cricket Circus. Not interested personally but future cricketers will still need the foundation that the Counties provide.
 
brandon said:
14 games now, 10 under his new proposals. Maths not your strong point?


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Which is exactly what I’m doing.


No no, don’t move the goalposts. You made a braindead comment about kids not watching County Cricket. When they do. Two posters have since told you that plenty of kids get down to County Championship games.
Your bullshit statement has been completely debunked. Why not shuffle off and let the people who actually know about county cricket talk about it, eh?


:lol:

Maybe Jimmy could get away with it. Or Colly :lol:
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Plenty of kids bunking off school to get down the Oval today! Saw plenty running around getting parents to buy merch, kissing the badge and stuff.

Yes they're excited because of the title, but it shows that kids do get heavily into red ball cricket.
 
Bri said:
Burying your head in the sand and refusing to address the problem, of which the hundred is only the one aspect, thats what im hearing from you. The Hundred is a problem, why cant we say so?
Because, according to you, its not going anywhere. If we were to follow that logic, we won't be able to debate much. The Hundred is a problem. What's the point of a performance review to improve Test cricket without discussing all of the issues, problems and obstacles of which the Hundred is one and the penalty for not addressing it will be to negate the whole point of the review.

My view is, to support Test cricket means you need to support 1st class cricket which means to support the Championship which means the Counties. The Hundred must go, it has no place.

So we get a Cricket Circus. Not interested personally but future cricketers will still need the foundation that the Counties provide.
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Again, you literally havent read what I just replied with, so whats the point of even having this conversation.

cheers for your great input of saying a competition which will not go, must go, very helpful

we can debate loads, the schedule was awful this year, you seem to have no interest in doing anything to help that, its like throwing the baby out with the bath water.

I just really really hope county chairman dont have the same view as people on here as we will end up with the same mess of a schedule we got this year.

we all dont want the 100...WE GET THAT.....do you have to repeat every time someone raises other issues?

I didnt say its going nowhere eventually, but it isnt for the next few years, that is the reality, if its gonna fail it will be at the end of this broadcasting deal if nobody was wathcing it, that could happen

in the mean time we still have county seasons to organise, why cant anyone grasp that??

So you literally have no interest at all in discussing how we can imporve county cricket untill the 100 goes?

What do we do in the mean time then?
TheRey said:
Plenty of kids bunking off school to get down the Oval today! Saw plenty running around getting parents to buy merch, kissing the badge and stuff.

Yes they're excited because of the title, but it shows that kids do get heavily into red ball cricket.
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Aye need some red ball cricket on in August in the next few years, its why I am not toally against the festival stuff, the county diehards will say its meaningless but if Durham are playing Yorkshire at Scarborough, I am going, and I think it would be class.

As I said above, until the 100 goes, which might or might not ever happen, we need to work (counties) and come up with a schedule that is better and more appealing. I find it very very frustrating that nobody is remotely interested in that, and I really hope the county chairman aren't taking this stubborn approach and working to find a good schedule, Strauss review makes a few interesting points that could be the starting block for something.

I dont agree with the reduction in CC games, however in short term could deal with a slight reducition, maybe to 12, if it meant other red ball stuff in the middle of the summer. I dont wanna go to Durham and watch red ball cricket in late September instead. I am sure I am not the only one.
What better way to show the 100 as a load of shite than getting a top county schedule that allows for good attendances, good cricket and to show off the product.

We aint gonna make changes and get rid of the 100 by just screaming like a baby and letting T20 games be played mid week at 2pm and county championship games in late september are we.
 
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George Dobell on point, as ever:

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“You have to understand that neither can flourish without the other and that judging a county's viability on the basis of the attendance at a Championship match is akin to judging a school on how much money it brings in.”
 
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GordonMuchallNo1Fan said:
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listen to this man, he speaks so much sense
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As a Derbyshire man i would love to know how he can justify the east midlands having 4 1st class counties and yet there are huge areas of the country who have none including the North east for more than a hundred years.
Far to many people in bith sides of the argument are about self interest and not actually the good of the game.
 
brandon said:
George Dobell on point, as ever:

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Specifically:

“You have to understand that neither can flourish without the other and that judging a county's viability on the basis of the attendance at a Championship match is akin to judging a school on how much money it brings in.”
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That is right. We used to have a virtuous circle. County Cricket supported Test cricket, Test cricket generated a lot of cash (it still does) and that cash supported county cricket.

As is well known, all the Test cricket cash reserves was blown by Graves on the poison pill.
 
bumble2 said:
Early reaction from Leicestershire.
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This is a great line from the chairman....

Clubs are continually asked by the ECB to reduce their financial dependency on the central body, but the proposed schedule creates a conflict of messaging.

Its a complete contradiction to ask the counties to find ways to increase their income, while on the other hand destroying the 50 over and T20 competition, cutting the amount of CC games and forcing them to stop playing cricket in the school holidays.

FTECB.
 
Several counties have now expressed a negative reaction to the proposals.

One thing concerns me. The extension of the TV contract for the Hundred was agreed without consulting the counties. They are guaranteed at present £1.3m a year but not after the current deal expires. I just hope the ECB don't use that as a bargaining tool (some would say blackmail) to persuade the counties to agree to these proposals.

If that is the case it would be a new low even for the ECB.
 
GordonMuchallNo1Fan said:
Silence from Durham who promote the new membership pack as "be part of the Durham cricket community"

How about you talk to us???
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Just holding their position most likely and letting others make the move

I can understand to a degree

I think what will happen is that t20 cricket will get their full games in compromise of losing maybe 2 CC games

Nobody on here has actually said what they realistically want in august

Do they want the 50 over stuff, blast or some CC or festival red games

The 100 is staying in august so don’t just say get rid of 100

The next 2 years what Durham cricket do you want in august, considering Potts, Carse and raine won’t be here

I think probs 50 over stuff for me as it’s solid days play and a good format , albeit it should 100% be reduced to 40 overs, that had a massive impact in the Roy, Hales generation as Morgan has said
 
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If the Premier league proposal does somehow get passed, surely 2024 would be too early? The 8 division 2 sides would already be closed out of it assuming its going off the top 6 next season?
 
The Rat said:
Just holding their position most likely and letting others make the move

I can understand to a degree

I think what will happen is that t20 cricket will get their full games in compromise of losing maybe 2 CC games

Nobody on here has actually said what they realistically want in august

Do they want the 50 over stuff, blast or some CC or festival red games

The 100 is staying in august so don’t just say get rid of 100

The next 2 years what Durham cricket do you want in august, considering Potts, Carse and raine won’t be here

I think probs 50 over stuff for me as it’s solid days play and a good format , albeit it should 100% be reduced to 40 overs, that had a massive impact in the Roy, Hales generation as Morgan has said
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Given how worried I am, I think I'd settle for that as I have to acknowledge the T20 is main income for many clubs.

The Pro 40 days on a Sunday were class, so again I'd not be against that change, though I think if it stays it will remain at 50 overs.

Must admit I felt as though the scheduling this year wasn't too bad. If they intend to reduce the county championship then chop the late September game and the early April game.

A lot to be discussed and this thread will keep us all amused over the winter.
 
GordonMuchallNo1Fan said:
Silence from Durham who promote the new membership pack as "be part of the Durham cricket community"

How about you talk to us???
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I‘m not excusing them but, unlike 15 of the counties, Durham are not bound to accept members views. Id also like to hear what the PCA - as players’ representative body, feel about it.
 
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