UFO's

[Cow]

Looks like a standard craft from the hollow earth people. Must be on there way back to the entrance over Antarctica.

These are completely non hostile, unlike those from the moon who are the ones that kidnap people/probe and mutilate cows for fun.

It ain’t nice I can tell you

 

[citybythesea]

You have to ask yourself though what is more likely..

1. That life exists at all outside of Earth.
AND
2. It has been around long enough to evolve into intelligent life.
AND
3. It coincidentally exists in the part of the universe that is within 130 light years of us so that they will be within range of our 130 years of so of man-made radio waves (i.e. they are able to detect us). This is a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of the universe, or even "our" galaxy. It is difficult to appreciate how tiny this region is in proportion to the rest of the universe.
AND
4. They are bothered enough to spend that much time and energy (at a cost) to come and visit.
AND
5. They have technology enough to make that journey in less than 130 years, which is a stretch of anybody's imagination or common sense as they would need to be approaching light speed).
AND
6. They avoided all of our early warning systems and SETI, and were able to fly around all undetected by anybody other than a few people on message boards and YouTube.

OR.....

You are mistaken and it was actually something else with a far more rational and simple explanation, that you haven't thought of.

When you consider the estimates of the Drake equation just for our own galaxy, there could be 100sof millions civilisations
That’s just for the milkyway, multiple that by the 100s of billions galaxies and you’d have to be fairly close minded, with geocentric views to believe we are the only civilisation. I know someone will quote the Fermi paradox, but I think this is negated with the vastness of the universe. Which is beyond most peoples comprehension. It’s a particularly close minded view, that we’ve managed space flight in less than 100 hundred years, and others wouldn’t especially when the solar system is very young in astronomical terms

 

[brir]

Of course they exist. We can't be the only life in the whole of the universe.

 

[Cow]

You have to ask yourself though what is more likely..

1. That life exists at all outside of Earth.
AND
2. It has been around long enough to evolve into intelligent life.
AND
3. It coincidentally exists in the part of the universe that is within 130 light years of us so that they will be within range of our 130 years of so of man-made radio waves (i.e. they are able to detect us). This is a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of the universe, or even "our" galaxy. It is difficult to appreciate how tiny this region is in proportion to the rest of the universe.
AND
4. They are bothered enough to spend that much time and energy (at a cost) to come and visit.
AND
5. They have technology enough to make that journey in less than 130 years, which is a stretch of anybody's imagination or common sense as they would need to be approaching light speed).
AND
6. They avoided all of our early warning systems and SETI, and were able to fly around all undetected by anybody other than a few people on message boards and YouTube.

OR.....

You are mistaken and it was actually something else with a far more rational and simple explanation, that you haven't thought of.

And there in lies the hole in your argument, you’re basing it al on the limits of our very limited imagination. Open your mind to infinite universes and possibilities, rather than limiting possibilities view existence as having unlimited possibilities….makes life far more fulfilling.

 

[KeefBeer]

5. They have technology enough to make that journey in less than 130 years, which is a stretch of anybody's imagination or common sense as they would need to be approaching light speed).

That’s our understanding at the moment regards physics and velocity.

When my gran was born it was two years since the Wright Bros first flight.
70+ years later she flew to Sydney to see her sister in less than 30 hours.

 

[fyl2u]

I only say this with certainty and conviction because I’ve seen some…….I’ve never hallucinated in my life. I wasn’t intoxicated or on any drug. Prior to seeing it, I would have been open minded yet cautiously sceptical.
I’ve completely changed my beliefs in them. I think in these events the absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence.

PM me and I’ll talk more about it

Call up the scientists then, because you're the first person in history that hasn't.

 

[citybythesea]

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[fyl2u]

When you consider the estimates of the Drake equation just for our own galaxy, there could be 100sof millions civilisations
That’s just for the milkyway, multiple that by the 100s of billions galaxies and you’d have to be fairly close minded, with geocentric views to believe we are the only civilisation. I know someone will quote the Fermi paradox, but I think this is negated with the vastness of the universe. Which is beyond most peoples comprehension. It’s a particularly close minded view, that we’ve managed space flight in less than 100 hundred years, and others wouldn’t especially when the solar system is very young in astronomical terms

The Drake equation requires you to make a whole bunch of estimates about the likelihood of life elsewhere. It only predicts hundreds of millions of civilisations if you input your own estimates that lead you to that answer.

It's a useless equation for anything other than "what if" thought experiments, and is really just a very long-winded way of saying "based on no facts at all, I reckon there's billions of alien civilisations out there!"

5. They have technology enough to make that journey in less than 130 years, which is a stretch of anybody's imagination or common sense as they would need to be approaching light speed).

That’s our understanding at the moment regards physics and velocity.

When my gran was born it was two years since the Wright Bros first flight.
70+ years later she flew to Sydney to see her sister in less than 30 hours.

So you're suggesting aliens are travelling back in time to study us after detecting us in the future?

It's an interesting twist.

 

[BiffaBeercan]

A fleet of the buggers over Alnwick last night. Getting beyond a joke now.

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[PJH]

There are no alien spaceships.

There may well be some form of flying object that is not commonly identifiable but someone, somewhere knows it’s identity.

We are just finding out about stuff that was flying in the 50s and 60s so god knows what’s up there now.

You can't know there are no alien spaceships. I would agree none have been to Earth, but alien spaceships could exist right now. Not much chance of one in our galaxy right now unless we're able to narrow down more fermi paradox variables.

 

[MunkyHeed]

UAPs not UFOs

UASP’s now. ‘Submersible’ has been added.

 

[mux]

UASP’s now. ‘Submersible’ has been added.

Aliens of the deep

 

[MunkyHeed]

Have a Google for Dr Garry Nolan - scientists at Stamford university. See what he has to say on the topic.

Quite possibly the most interesting man on the planet at the moment imo.

 

[fyl2u]

Have a Google for Dr Garry Nolan - scientists at Stamford university. See what he has to say on the topic.

Quite possibly the most interesting man on the planet at the moment imo.

If he's saying anything other than "it's bollocks" then I'll probably skip it.

 

[Norton]

Listened to the " Infinite monkey cage" podcast about UFOs whilst on holiday. Interesting but the maths shows it would be almost impossible for an alien life form to be visiting us, even though they probably exist.

 

[MunkyHeed]

If he's saying anything other than "it's bollocks" then I'll probably skip it.

Fair enough.I’ll not lose sleep.

 

[KeefBeer]

The Drake equation requires you to make a whole bunch of estimates about the likelihood of life elsewhere. It only predicts hundreds of millions of civilisations if you input your own estimates that lead you to that answer.

It's a useless equation for anything other than "what if" thought experiments, and is really just a very long-winded way of saying "based on no facts at all, I reckon there's billions of alien civilisations out there!"


So you're suggesting aliens are travelling back in time to study us after detecting us in the future?

It's an interesting twist.

No, I’m indicating how little we know.
Our own arrogance and hubris shouldn’t blind us to this.
We are a young race, who knows how many civilisations have millions of years of research and development ahead of us.

 

[Kent_Mackem]

When you consider the estimates of the Drake equation just for our own galaxy, there could be 100sof millions civilisations
That’s just for the milkyway, multiple that by the 100s of billions galaxies and you’d have to be fairly close minded, with geocentric views to believe we are the only civilisation. I know someone will quote the Fermi paradox, but I think this is negated with the vastness of the universe. Which is beyond most peoples comprehension. It’s a particularly close minded view, that we’ve managed space flight in less than 100 hundred years, and others wouldn’t especially when the solar system is very young in astronomical terms

I didn't write that life elsewhere was unlikely.

I wrote that it is vanishingly unlikely that, for the reasons I stated, they will have visited us.

Two very different things.

5. They have technology enough to make that journey in less than 130 years, which is a stretch of anybody's imagination or common sense as they would need to be approaching light speed).

That’s our understanding at the moment regards physics and velocity.

When my gran was born it was two years since the Wright Bros first flight.
70+ years later she flew to Sydney to see her sister in less than 30 hours.

I didn't state it was impossible.... just another massive unlikely probability to factor into our estimate.

And there in lies the hole in your argument, you’re basing it al on the limits of our very limited imagination. Open your mind to infinite universes and possibilities, rather than limiting possibilities view existence as having unlimited possibilities….makes life far more fulfilling.

Sigh.....

 

[citybythesea]

The Drake equation requires you to make a whole bunch of estimates about the likelihood of life elsewhere. It only predicts hundreds of millions of civilisations if you input your own estimates that lead you to that answer.

It's a useless equation for anything other than "what if" thought experiments, and is really just a very long-winded way of saying "based on no facts at all, I reckon there's billions of alien civilisations out there!"


So you're suggesting aliens are travelling back in time to study us after detecting us in the future?

It's an interesting twist.

The Drake equation is an estimate, that’s it’s point. It’s based on a lot of estimates but it’s the best guess on our own understanding of natural sciences ……..even conservative estimates put the potential for civilisations millions.

Science is far from complete, we don’t know everything in the cosmos

 

[fyl2u]

No, I’m indicating how little we know.
Our own arrogance and hubris shouldn’t blind us to this.
We are a young race, who knows how many civilisations have millions of years of research and development ahead of us.

While that may well be true, it is also a stab in the dark. We don't know whether we're the billionth civilisation to venture into space or the first.

The Drake equation doesn't help answer that, because it's based on a whole bunch of complete guesses to come up with possible answers based on those guesses.

The Drake equation is an estimate, that’s it’s point. It’s based on a lot of estimates but it’s the best guess on our own understanding of natural sciences ……..even conservative estimates put the potential for civilisations millions.

Science is far from complete, we don’t know everything in the cosmos

Whether your guesses are conservative or not is still a guess. We have no idea what the actual values should be for the variables being inputted into the equation, so all you're getting out of the equation at the end is supposition.