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Seems a bit odd, good chance of getting 3 points and you’d hope the new manager bounce would contribute to getting them
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easy SurviveHopefully a two year deal - survive this season, consolidate next season and get someone better in the year after.
Great post again. Totally agree with all of this.Any coach or manager that is at the right end of their career, shows a little bit of thought, research and ambition. Of the names that have been linked, I wouldn’t have been averse to Manning or Barry. I’d quite liked to see us show a bit of ambition and employ someone who is in work and highly rated; a McKenna type for example.
The point is that Speakman last time said there was a process and there was constantly a review, monitoring and succession planning for coaches that fit the model for when one departs. It just so happens that the last manager appointed approached us and was only appointed after a drawn out shambolic process that showed no signs of succession planning and this one is a bloke who is local, mates with the head of recruitment and cheaply available because he’s out of work.
I think we’re being spun a bit of a yarn about how well organised we actually are. If you look at appointments to positions in the wider club and the off field operations, there is plenty of evidence to show we’re not a well oiled machine in any sense of the term.
I’m not disputing that the process last time was shambolic - on that occasion they didn’t seem to have a plan.Any coach or manager that is at the right end of their career, shows a little bit of thought, research and ambition. Of the names that have been linked, I wouldn’t have been averse to Manning or Barry. I’d quite liked to see us show a bit of ambition and employ someone who is in work and highly rated; a McKenna type for example.
The point is that Speakman last time said there was a process and there was constantly a review, monitoring and succession planning for coaches that fit the model for when one departs. It just so happens that the last manager appointed approached us and was only appointed after a drawn out shambolic process that showed no signs of succession planning and this one is a bloke who is local, mates with the head of recruitment and cheaply available because he’s out of work.
I think we’re being spun a bit of a yarn about how well organised we actually are. If you look at appointments to positions in the wider club and the off field operations, there is plenty of evidence to show we’re not a well oiled machine in any sense of the term.
You could also say look what happened when we went for the 'safe' option, grayson, parkinson. I hope we have hit lucky again with the 'out of work manager' plan, but I cannot see itI’m not disputing that the process last time was shambolic - on that occasion they didn’t seem to have a plan.
Apparently Mowbray has been seen around the Academy for the last few months, so maybe this is not a knee-jerk appointment, maybe he’s been in the clubs thoughts for some time.
The up and coming coach you described in a previous post could well have been a description of Jack Ross when we appointed him, and look how that turned out.
Another such appointment would have been a risk, given where we are right now. This team needs to build strong foundations in this division, to then go on to be able to push for promotion in the longer term.
In my opinion on, Mowbray can build those foundations.
Cheap is the key word for me.This is it like. On the one hand you’ve got people extolling the virtues of optimistic modernity, data analysis and pointing to Brentford as a good example of doing things right. And then on the other justifying the Mowbray appointment.
For me those two things are entirely mutually exclusive. There’s a good chance Mowbray may come in and do ok. But anyone that’s suggesting this is a positive signal of intent for the club’s direction and vision I think would be kidding themselves. Could they honestly Brentford making this type of appointment for example?
Just call what this appointment for what it is. Cheap, available, obvious and safe. I think you can be content with that but not convincingly whilst saying the club is somewhat different now to how it has been in the past.
So were you out performing your xG in the first half of the season or not meeting it in the second half of the season?Blackburn Rovers supporter here.
I will try to give you an objective analysis.
STRENGTHS
A very committed and thoughtful man with great integrity.
An excellent eye for new players - both permanent (eg, Dack, Adam Armstrong, Brereton Diaz, Joe Rothwell) and on loan (eg, Harrison Reed, Harvey Elliott, Tosin, Harwood-Bellis, JP van Hecke). Of course, there have been failures too, but that simply goes with the job).
He is not a "dinosaur", despite his age. He actually likes to experiment and innovate. (We made a very successful switch to three centre-backs at one point last season).
Intimate knowledge of the Championship.
Happy to encourage youth.
WEAKNESSES
He is not a 9/10 manager, but how many of those are there outside the PL?
He can appear a bit dour and unenthusiastic at times, (but that's mainly because he is not an extrovert and clearly reserves emotions for non-public situations).
He can be a bit stubborn on occasion - but again, isn't that true of most managers?
What was named as a "strength" above - innovation - can also be a bit of a downside. There were times when he fiddled with formations unnecessarily, and tried players in positions they were clearly unsuited to.
Oversaw a couple of pretty dire poor runs in February-March. (The chief factor in those declines was a failure to convert chances. Our "xG" remained little changed, but our conversion rate dropped dramatically. I am never sure how far that is a manager's "fault").
In the end, I think he knew himself that the dramatic decline from second place in January would prove fatal to his chances of being reappointed, but I honestly believe you could do a lot worse.
I’m not disputing that the process last time was shambolic - on that occasion they didn’t seem to have a plan.
Apparently Mowbray has been seen around the Academy for the last few months, so maybe this is not a knee-jerk appointment, maybe he’s been in the clubs thoughts for some time.
The up and coming coach you described in a previous post could well have been a description of Jack Ross when we appointed him, and look how that turned out.
Another such appointment would have been a risk, given where we are right now. This team needs to build strong foundations in this division, to then go on to be able to push for promotion in the longer term.
In my opinion on, Mowbray can build those foundations.
He certainly isn't a dinosaur, he plays really good football. He is an excellent championship manager.
Where's that been alleged?I just hope they’re wrong. If he took training yesterday (allegedly) and then again today I can’t see any reason why he’d not be in the dugout on Wednesday night.
Yeah you could, but neither had kept a team in the championship for more than 2 minutes. Mowbray’s track record is much better than theirs.You could also say look what happened when we went for the 'safe' option, grayson, parkinson. I hope we have hit lucky again with the 'out of work manager' plan, but I cannot see it
He's got a reputation for developing and bringing through young players and having a willingness to carry a squad full of them. How is that not in keeping with the club's much stated core strategy?And I’ve said people can be content with Mowbray if they wish. I don’t think his appointment is at all in keeping with the ethos, vision or model that people are keen to tell others is so good. I don’t think other clubs taking that approach appoint Tony Mowbray
Few on here and otr mentioned it yesterday eveningWhere's that been alleged?
ClarkeCheap is the key word for me.
In terms of our recruitment I do actually like the fact that we're going for a lot of younger players as long as we're willing to invest good money in getting the infrastructure right. Unfortunately if the vibe from the local journos over the last week is anything to go by then the club are looking to do absolutely everything on the cheap.
I am the same as you, didnt want Mowbray, but if it is him, get him in and started now.But surely you can see how he fits well to what we’re trying to achieve here with his reputation for developing young players and a willingness to carry a squad full of them?
It’s quite clearly not simply that he is available and knows Harvey, there’s far more rationale than that and he has decent synergies with the club’s core strategy.
I had my heart set on Manning so I’m not exactly delighted but I think it’s unfair to suggest this is only an appointment of convenience.
Pics ?Not much of a shock but he's there now. Surely announced today so we can crack on with signings?