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NUFC/Sportswashing - Summer 2022

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Sporty said:
It's not the 90's any more and one of their gripes, commercial income is something I don't think they'll even increase to the levels the big 6 enjoy. Despite the moaning about Ashley and Spurs leaving them behind, they're already up there with West Ham, Everton and Leicester so actually doing OK in relation to the best of the rest.

One reason I think it won't happen is because back in the 90's most of the TV stuff was UK based with Sky Sports etc, the majority of the viewing audience were UK based so the main target for sponsors/advertisers etc. Now the Premier League is a global brand and the UK isn't the majority 'advert' for sponsors etc for some teams as not all matches are live. These days globally, people can usually watch any match they want as it's not restricted like the UK and that's possibly why the Global TV Rights are worth more than the Domestic TV Rights also.

The broadcasters will know which teams pull in the most viewers etc so it's very unlikely Newcastle will be able to ever hit the viewing figures that the big 6 will get. They may be able to fiddle some deals using SA businesses but they're being monitored now. This will obviously affect their sponsorship and all other deals related to their 'global brand' image as they can't go out and get the same money as the big 6 command. Some mag fans may think NUFC is a huge club and yes there's no denying they're huge in relation to their crowd and local area and those that live in the 90's. However, outside that bubble, they're just another mid table team that's won nowt for years and had a sniff of success in the 90's thanks to the initial growth of the Premier League and done nowt much since along with 2 relegations.

The Mags will certainly improve on the pitch along with an increase in finances and a little more global exposure. Problem is, they're £100's millions per year in revenue behind the financial big boys. I don't think it's not going to happen for them in the way many think due to the limits of their revenue restricting investment in players and wages. It certainly won't be another Chelsea or Man City and given the global market it probably won't ever be.

Leicester are the nearest team to even get a sniff of playing with the financial big boys as they won the league and a Cup but it's simply unsustainable unless they hit the Champions League regularly. As I expected, Leicester are pushing their financial limits now and chances are it's going to go downhill for them from now as they're not even in Europe this season so no extra revenue from that. They can't really invest much more so may well sell good players as they've done in recent seasons but it's now catching up with them financially. Everton have done the same and they got even less in return for their investment apart from a 1 season in the Europa League and going out in the group stage.

Kieran Maguire did a FPP last November and the Mags have plenty wiggle room. Though 5 of the big 6 still have even more room plus that is room as in extra money they can spend on top of the £10's millions they've already spent on huge signings and wages.

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FPP is a £105m loss over 3 seasons is only £35m a season so it's not even 1 Madison signing fee and there is also the wages. The Mags aren't paying up front so they could get three £35m players this season paying £11.33m for each every season but then can't spend more over the next 3 seasons unless they increase revenue. Even with the fiddling of sponsor deals they won't increase £10's millions to be able to get even more players and certainly not £100's millions. To get in with the big boys would take many years of playing regular Champions League. They're miles behind other clubs and even Leicester's revenue will drop this season due to not being in Europe any more.

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I don't know how much the Mags have spent so far given the initial payments won't be the same as the total fee and the additional clauses but they've spent summit like £150-160m which will be owed over the coming seasons so that's their wiggle room above. They will have also increased the yearly wages by a few million a year also and their will be those clauses. There's good reason why the Mag owners are doing it the way they are as it's a better way than going lashing £50m up front for Maddison etc. It gives them three seasons of spending rather than blowing it all in one. If it goes wrong and they get neewhere regarding the Champions League money then the club should still be financially sound rather than being spent up and then having nowt to reinvest and having to sell players they'd prefer to keep. Of course, there's no denying most SAFC fans would love the same investment, no matter in which way but it's amusing that it's not going to be the way some mags thought and even more so due to the background of the 'true' owners of the club.
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That sums it up beautifully and puts in into context. All is not what it seemed and not what the resident mags would accept as feasible imho
 
Ghfd said:
Thanks for this bit of research and hard work
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Not much research to be honest as it was a couple googles to confirm some info and generally what I think. Ended up being a gid long post with a lot of waffling on 🤣

All I wanted to say is that after they use up their FPP wiggle room, I don't think their revenue in coming seasons (even fiddling SA deals) will allow buying numerous £30/40/50m players season upon season, plus they'll still be millions behind the big boys regarding revenue. I think the horse has long bolted for another team to be one of the regular big boys and Leicester and Everton have spent up chasing the dream and are now 'paying' for it. This is all while ignoring the 'being up North' issue and the stigma of the owners that means a potential higher player wage.

I've a feeling the Mags may enjoy initial improvement but unless they get up there quick and more importantly stay there season upon season then it won't last long. It's certainly won't be like the 90's again for the fans where it was more a level playing field as teams hoyed big money and wages at players due to the new PL big money and unrestricted owner investment. I think most SAFC fans would love the same investment they're getting, albeit without questionable owners.

The European Super League may well raise it's head again in the next decade so things may well change as they could well be offered a spot but I think many fans would welcome the big clubs f***ing off.

See even this post ends up with more waffling on 😂
 
Sporty said:
Not much research to be honest as it was a couple googles to confirm some info and generally what I think. Ended up being a gid long post with a lot of waffling on 🤣

All I wanted to say is that after they use up their FPP wiggle room, I don't think their revenue in coming seasons (even fiddling SA deals) will allow buying numerous £30/40/50m players season upon season, plus they'll still be millions behind the big boys regarding revenue. I think the horse has long bolted for another team to be one of the regular big boys and Leicester and Everton have spent up chasing the dream and are now 'paying' for it. This is all while ignoring the 'being up North' issue and the stigma of the owners that means a potential higher player wage.

I've a feeling the Mags may enjoy initial improvement but unless they get up there quick and more importantly stay there season upon season then it won't last long. It's certainly won't be like the 90's again for the fans where it was more a level playing field as teams hoyed big money and wages at players due to the new PL big money and unrestricted owner investment. I think most SAFC fans would love the same investment they're getting, albeit without questionable owners.

The European Super League may well raise it's head again in the next decade so things may well change as they could well be offered a spot but I think many fans would welcome the big clubs f***ing off.

See even this post ends up with more waffling on 😂
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Don’t mind. I like a good read
 
Sporty said:
Not much research to be honest as it was a couple googles to confirm some info and generally what I think. Ended up being a gid long post with a lot of waffling on 🤣

All I wanted to say is that after they use up their FPP wiggle room, I don't think their revenue in coming seasons (even fiddling SA deals) will allow buying numerous £30/40/50m players season upon season, plus they'll still be millions behind the big boys regarding revenue. I think the horse has long bolted for another team to be one of the regular big boys and Leicester and Everton have spent up chasing the dream and are now 'paying' for it. This is all while ignoring the 'being up North' issue and the stigma of the owners that means a potential higher player wage.

I've a feeling the Mags may enjoy initial improvement but unless they get up there quick and more importantly stay there season upon season then it won't last long. It's certainly won't be like the 90's again for the fans where it was more a level playing field as teams hoyed big money and wages at players due to the new PL big money and unrestricted owner investment. I think most SAFC fans would love the same investment they're getting, albeit without questionable owners.

The European Super League may well raise it's head again in the next decade so things may well change as they could well be offered a spot but I think many fans would welcome the big clubs f***ing off.

See even this post ends up with more waffling on 😂
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That’s the issue, sustaining it if and when they achieve a top six place. It’s far from sour grapes but I don’t think they are going to be as high up the league as they think this season
 
Sporty said:
Not much research to be honest as it was a couple googles to confirm some info and generally what I think. Ended up being a gid long post with a lot of waffling on 🤣

All I wanted to say is that after they use up their FPP wiggle room, I don't think their revenue in coming seasons (even fiddling SA deals) will allow buying numerous £30/40/50m players season upon season, plus they'll still be millions behind the big boys regarding revenue. I think the horse has long bolted for another team to be one of the regular big boys and Leicester and Everton have spent up chasing the dream and are now 'paying' for it. This is all while ignoring the 'being up North' issue and the stigma of the owners that means a potential higher player wage.

I've a feeling the Mags may enjoy initial improvement but unless they get up there quick and more importantly stay there season upon season then it won't last long. It's certainly won't be like the 90's again for the fans where it was more a level playing field as teams hoyed big money and wages at players due to the new PL big money and unrestricted owner investment. I think most SAFC fans would love the same investment they're getting, albeit without questionable owners.

The European Super League may well raise it's head again in the next decade so things may well change as they could well be offered a spot but I think many fans would welcome the big clubs f***ing off.

See even this post ends up with more waffling on 😂
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I will re-use the phrase "Black Swan". Every one of last season's signings hit the ground running and even Wood contributed to gaining results. What team ever experiences this? It is an anomaly.

My take is that they would love to be in ESL! Well they would love to be invited to be a member....we would never hear the end of it.
 
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jlaws said:
Clueless. Likely paying 50%+ of wages for the 3 loanees and paid off Gayle.

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An unreal piece of business despite them not seeing him kick a ball in a meaningful game yet. Soothsayers
jlaws said:
I will re-use the phrase "Black Swan". Every one of last season's signings hit the ground running and even Wood contributed to gaining results. What team ever experiences this? It is an anomaly.

My take is that they would love to be in ESL! Well they would love to be invited to be a member....we would never hear the end of it.
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Unlike other fanbases, thry would positively embrace it. It would give them the sense of importance they've always craved
 
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Father Jack Hackett said:
An unreal piece of business despite them not seeing him kick a ball in a meaningful game yet. Soothsayers
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I know. You know I like my stats.....

Out of 8 CL games last season - injured for 3.

Out of 38 ligue un games - injured for 11 and suspended for 1.

Better in the prior year.

But calling someone unreal with 62 Ligue Un games and 5 CL games doesn't seem to earn the tag "unreal". Not a single other EPL team interested and Milan didn't feel the need to push the fee higher.

I await him being savaged on MoTD.
 
Roker Mackem said:
Predictably the full pile on defending a killer just so they feel better about a bag of wind hitting the back of a netty thing
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All grads of the Big Market School of Middle Eastern politics...

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It's gold this thread. The Mags start of nice & reasonable trying to soft deflect then there is the1 inevitable pile on where the true colours start showing
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It's gold this thread. The Mags start of nice & reasonable trying to soft deflect then there is the1 inevitable pile on where the true colours start showing
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Do any of us have a choice from which country the petrol we buy hails?

I'll tell who do have a choice......actually, I'll be completely wasting my breath.
They aren't even defending their club any more, they're actively defending the Saudis. The ARE Saudi Arabia, just as the plan counted on them to be and they've only signed some blokes from Lyon and Burnley.
 
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