NUFC and other Sportswashing Spring 2022

[Biffo The Bear]

You never qualified, you were invited to take part at the expense of several other teams who finished higher in the league. You did well to win it, but you weren’t competing against teams of a similar level as they weren’t invited. That’s why the Inter Cities Fairs Cup doesn’t carry the prestige as the UEFA Cup.

The Champions League name is a joke, but the competition itself is open to all teams through a qualification process, therefore any winner deserves the recognition for winning it.

We were, to my limited understanding of the entry requirements, invited as other teams who finished higher fell foul of the entry requirements (1 team per city i believe). Like i said we did not write the entry requirements. We were invited as a direct result of the rules of entry.
If the entry requirements stated, as i believe, that only 1 team per city can qualify then Everton (for example) did not qualify if Liverpool finished in a higher league position. I assume we were the highest placed finishers who met the entry criteria.
I don't argue the points of how strong a competition it was, or whether it was easier to win than the UEFA, Cup Winners Cup. I will argue the point that we entered on the merits of the qualification criteria.

 

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[Biffo The Bear]

So here we have the 68-69 league table. I get why Everton didn't get to play in the Fairs Cup (Even though they finished 13 points ahead of the mags) but not sure on Arsenal and why Chelsea went in ahead of them? I guess Arsenal and also Southampton declined the opportunity? This is why FIFA didn't recognise it (or was it UEFA) as it was not based on sporting merit.

Either way for a big club it is 24,511 days since the 55 FA cup win, 19362 days for the 69 Fairs Cup win.....not really in a position to gloat as 17,938 days since our 73 win (unless you are having the pizza cup win)!

I love using the Datedif function in Excel sessions - wonder if the next time I deliver it in the ME any of the Saudi's will say they support the mags!

En route:

Feijenoord - 2nd in Dutch league to qualify;
Sporting - 2nd in Portuguese league
Real Zaragoza - 5th in Spanish League
Setubal - 5th in Portuguese League
Rangers - 2nd in Scottish league
Ujpest - 2nd in Hungarian league


Leeds United (C) 67 - European Cup
Liverpool 61 - Fairs Cup
Everton 57
Arsenal 56
Chelsea 50 - Fair Cup
Tottenham Hotspur 45
Southampton 45
West Ham United 44
Newcastle United 44 - Fairs Cup
West Bromwich Albion 43
Manchester United 42
Ipswich Town 41
Manchester City 40 - ECWC
Burnley 39
Sheffield Wednesday 36
Wolverhampton Wanderers 35
Sunderland 34
Nottingham Forest 33
Stoke City 33
Coventry City 31
Leicester City 30

We aren't, by my own personal rules of measure, a big club.

 

[Secret Visage]

We aren't, by my own personal rules of measure, a big club.

You're a big, unsuccessful club. Like us.

 

[Roker Mackem]

I lived in Washington when my kids were in the juniors so got offers all of the time to go to SOL. Graduation day from was also there with Bally giving the same speech every year
Good on you getting her to support your team, would be nothing worse than a son/daughter following your rivals

I don’t think he will either but I’m still delighted he’s there at the minute.

Aye ive got three of them to keep away from the dark side. One doesnt like football so might be ok there

 

[herra soul mob]

Interesting reply from one chap - "After that I don't expect anymore NUFC players on the plane to the years major, FIFA approved.Sportwashing exercise" - are they for real?

To save you all clicking the odds are:

13/8 Kieran Trippier

10/1 Callum Wilson

12/1 Dan Burn

12/1 Joe Willock

16//1 Matt Targett

25/1 Freddie Woodman

25/1 Karl Darlow

in all seriousness only one worth backing is targett at the prices. overloaded with rightbacks ( trippier not guaranteed ) but really short on lbs- not sure how long shaw and chilwell are out for.

 

[safcforever]

apparently Eddie Howe took Bournemouth from the bottom for League 4 to the premier league. He took them over after they finished 11th

Brought in 19 players then finished runner in the league and promoted.
First season in the championship he then brought in 8 (lee camp was one ) releasing 4. Finishing 10th, actually impressive but he didn’t just get a tune from the players, he bought a whole new squad

Totally agree.

A valid comparison is Bayern v Dortmund.

Dormund make clever signings all the time but can never catch Bayern. That's because Bayern are always so far ahead and a much bigger club.

Dortmund aren't skint. They just aren't as attractive option than Bayern

But Dortmund don’t have 52,000 screaming fans, or a famous number 9, or they probably don’t like goal scorers as much as Newcastle fans do

Haven’t Everton basically maxed out their FFP over the past few years?

If Newcastle’s spending continues as per January’s then they could be on the same path

In fact the last time they made a profit on their transfer spending was the 2016/17 season after they’d been relegated and had to offload sissoko, wjinaldum, etc

Everton’s turnover is also greater than Newcastle’s so without some creative accounting to bypass FFP rules I can’t see them pushing on long term

They’ll sell the stadium naming rights (if they’re allowed to yet) plus short sponsorship etc. they’ll increase their revenue

 

[Mark E Smith]

Aye, Alex Ferguson also had a shit start. Do you think manager’s can just push a button and Dummett will start performing . It’s always been my opinion a manager should get at least 2 years.

You’re equating Beheddie to SAF who had won a European Cup and SPL title with Aberdeen prior to taking over at Man U ? #levels

 

[king of the road]

You’re equating Beheddie to SAF who had won a European Cup and SPL title with Aberdeen prior to taking over at Man U ? #levels

I was ridiculing Tory boys’ proclamation that a manager should be able to turn things round immediately. The side was shot to bits under Bruce.

 

[Zig81]

Weshy

 

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I was ridiculing Tory boys’ proclamation that a manager should be able to turn things round immediately. The side was shot to bits under Bruce.

You have the Tory boys including the No.1 for getting the owner you all craved

 

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[Deleted member 1169]

We aren't, by my own personal rules of measure, a big club.

I am sure Benjamin, who may well have been Sima, responded to this one time with the number of Europa league games you had played to indicate you are!

I dislike NUFC but you are a big club, albeit an unsuccessful one!

I mean it is nearly 10000 days since Everton won a trophy! Over 11000 days since Leeds won one.

Football has become very concentrated, not just here, but elsewhere. In fact the Bundesliga is one of the least competitive leagues going.....it's shite and that ship sailed when RA took over Chelsea.

 

[Homer]

So here we have the 68-69 league table. I get why Everton didn't get to play in the Fairs Cup (Even though they finished 13 points ahead of the mags) but not sure on Arsenal and why Chelsea went in ahead of them? I guess Arsenal and also Southampton declined the opportunity? This is why FIFA didn't recognise it (or was it UEFA) as it was not based on sporting merit.

Either way for a big club it is 24,511 days since the 55 FA cup win, 19362 days for the 69 Fairs Cup win.....not really in a position to gloat as 17,938 days since our 73 win (unless you are having the pizza cup win)!

I love using the Datedif function in Excel sessions - wonder if the next time I deliver it in the ME any of the Saudi's will say they support the mags!

En route:

Feijenoord - 2nd in Dutch league to qualify;
Sporting - 2nd in Portuguese league
Real Zaragoza - 5th in Spanish League
Setubal - 5th in Portuguese League
Rangers - 2nd in Scottish league
Ujpest - 2nd in Hungarian league


Leeds United (C) 67 - European Cup
Liverpool 61 - Fairs Cup
Everton 57
Arsenal 56
Chelsea 50 - Fair Cup
Tottenham Hotspur 45
Southampton 45
West Ham United 44
Newcastle United 44 - Fairs Cup
West Bromwich Albion 43
Manchester United 42
Ipswich Town 41
Manchester City 40 - ECWC
Burnley 39
Sheffield Wednesday 36
Wolverhampton Wanderers 35
Sunderland 34
Nottingham Forest 33
Stoke City 33
Coventry City 31
Leicester City 30

It is very simply that UEFA don’t recognise it because it is not a UEFA competition, nothing to do with the entry requirements. FIFA recognise it.

 

[tynevalleyblackcat]

We were, to my limited understanding of the entry requirements, invited as other teams who finished higher fell foul of the entry requirements (1 team per city i believe). Like i said we did not write the entry requirements. We were invited as a direct result of the rules of entry.
If the entry requirements stated, as i believe, that only 1 team per city can qualify then Everton (for example) did not qualify if Liverpool finished in a higher league position. I assume we were the highest placed finishers who met the entry criteria.
I don't argue the points of how strong a competition it was, or whether it was easier to win than the UEFA, Cup Winners Cup. I will argue the point that we entered on the merits of the qualification criteria.

Or maybe it was because more serious clubs did not want to be playing glorified friendlies in the middle of the summer. The second leg of the final was on the 11th June and the FA Cup Final that year was on 26th April. Last round of league fixtures that year was 19th April. Thats why serious clubs were not interested.

 

[Deleted member 1169]

It is very simply that UEFA don’t recognise it because it is not a UEFA competition, nothing to do with the entry requirements. FIFA recognise it.

Instead of deflecting try and answer the question - why did Arsenal not take part?

 

[Biffo The Bear]

You're a big, unsuccessful club. Like us.

Only two big clubs in this country matey.
Liverpool and Man Utd. The rest are big, for various reasons, relative to the remainder.

 

[Biffo The Bear]

Or maybe it was because more serious clubs did not want to be playing glorified friendlies in the middle of the summer. The second leg of the final was on the 11th June and the FA Cup Final that year was on 26th April. Last round of league fixtures that year was 19th April. Thats why serious clubs were not interested.

All may well be true. Doesn’t change the facts though. We qualified. We entered. We won.

 

[safcforever]

You seem to have forgot about the bit where he brought a team from the bottom of league 4 up to the premier league. Never mind that bit though.

Did he

 

[cluffy]

All may well be true. Doesn’t change the facts though. We qualified. We entered. We won.

Well done! You must be very proud