NUFC and other Sportswashing Spring 2022

[Deleted member 1169]

Terrible, but he’s served a purpose. Gave the team balance at a time when we were desperate to say the least. The other signings did ok though.

If we buy a player for say £50mill on a 5 year contract. That’s counts as £10mill a year towards ffp. Also you need to factor in any new sponsorship deals coming in. And also player sales over the same time. It’s not as cut and dried as you think.

Have you been reading up on ammortisation

The wages also count and even in Jan you likely added 500k p/w to the wage bill or 25m p.a.

The club finances don't support big spending and high wages and revenue can only grow so much due to the sponsorship deals.

 

[4everredandwhite]

Terrible, but he’s served a purpose. Gave the team balance at a time when we were desperate to say the least. The other signings did ok though.

If we buy a player for say £50mill on a 5 year contract. That’s counts as £10mill a year towards ffp. Also you need to factor in any new sponsorship deals coming in. And also player sales over the same time. It’s not as cut and dried as you think.

Realistically, how many blue chip players do you think you will sign? I am using your estimate at cost and contract length with regards to ffp. Loan players will be the bulk of your spend imo

 

[The Fish]

But you can't just invent figures for sponsorship anymore. That loophole has been closed.

Yes, you can prolong money over a period of time but as Everton found out, that catches up with you.

The only way you can spend big long term is be successful. Man City get about £40M for winning the premier league. You'll get about £14M for finishing 13th.

They get big money for being in the last 4 if the Champions League, you get nothing this year or next.

So, do you gamble everything of being successful within a couple of seasons or be prudent and take a longer term view?

I personally don't think you'll get above 8th next season. Eddie Howe is not a top 6 manager and you haven't got and won't have top 6 players.

Man Utd are struggling for top 6 this season and you are creaming over the likes Lingard who can't get a game for them!

Commercial revenue is an area we can grow significantly. Fair market value sponsorship of shirts, sleeves, training grounds, official pillow partners and all that bollocks.

Pragmatic growth is the most sensible route, like you say. Everton are an example of how not to do it. The quotes that we're taking our lead from Man City, but also from the likes of Brighton and Brentford. In that we need joined up thinking, youth coaching, through recruitment, to 1st team coaching all has to be aligned. Hence Dan Ashworth.

Build up everything else, the stuff that doesn't factor into FFP concerns, at the same time as evolving the squad (getting rid of the players who came up with us from the Championship for a start). 1 or 2 'blue chip' players could well deliver top half plus a better performance in the cups. Fatten out the squad with players like Burn and Targett, i.e. competent Premier League players, instead of has-been or never was.

 

[Redandwhitedust]

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They're trying to change Lads.

It's a step forward Lads

I'm sure a change in their laws is imminent judging by this article.

No mention of all the Saudi bots putting out the same message over and over again I presume?

 

[Banks]

Commercial revenue is an area we can grow significantly. Fair market value sponsorship of shirts, sleeves, training grounds, official pillow partners and all that bollocks.

Pragmatic growth is the most sensible route, like you say. Everton are an example of how not to do it. The quotes that we're taking our lead from Man City, but also from the likes of Brighton and Brentford. In that we need joined up thinking, youth coaching, through recruitment, to 1st team coaching all has to be aligned. Hence Dan Ashworth.

Build up everything else, the stuff that doesn't factor into FFP concerns, at the same time as evolving the squad (getting rid of the players who came up with us from the Championship for a start). 1 or 2 'blue chip' players could well deliver top half plus a better performance in the cups. Fatten out the squad with players like Burn and Targett, i.e. competent Premier League players, instead of has-been or never was.

Yes that's the point fair.

You can't announce a sponsorship on par with Liverpool and Man City when your 14th.

You'll still do it but good luck with Uefa on that one

 

[geordiedan]

But you can't just invent figures for sponsorship anymore. That loophole has been closed.

Yes, you can prolong money over a period of time but as Everton found out, that catches up with you.

The only way you can spend big long term is be successful. Man City get about £40M for winning the premier league. You'll get about £14M for finishing 13th.

They get big money for being in the last 4 if the Champions League, you get nothing this year or next.

So, do you gamble everything of being successful within a couple of seasons or be prudent and take a longer term view?

I personally don't think you'll get above 8th next season. Eddie Howe is not a top 6 manager and you haven't got and won't have top 6 players.

Man Utd are struggling for top 6 this season and you are creaming over the likes Lingard who can't get a game for them!

Tbh I think It’ll be a more pragmatic approach. But I do think we might surprise a few on here, (cough cough jlaws) as to who we might sign. I’ve been reading that loans with an option to buy is a way of playing the system. I’ll be happy with 8th but I don’t know if the owners will.

Commercial revenue is an area we can grow significantly. Fair market value sponsorship of shirts, sleeves, training grounds, official pillow partners and all that bollocks.

Pragmatic growth is the most sensible route, like you say. Everton are an example of how not to do it. The quotes that we're taking our lead from Man City, but also from the likes of Brighton and Brentford. In that we need joined up thinking, youth coaching, through recruitment, to 1st team coaching all has to be aligned. Hence Dan Ashworth.

Build up everything else, the stuff that doesn't factor into FFP concerns, at the same time as evolving the squad (getting rid of the players who came up with us from the Championship for a start). 1 or 2 'blue chip' players could well deliver top half plus a better performance in the cups. Fatten out the squad with players like Burn and Targett, i.e. competent Premier League players, instead of has-been or never was.

Well explained

 

[Banks]

Tbh I think It’ll be a more pragmatic approach. But I do think we might surprise a few on here, (cough cough jlaws) as to who we might sign. I’ve been reading that loans with an option to buy is a way of playing the system. I’ll be happy with 8th but I don’t know if the owners will.

Well explained

Yes but selling clubs will want big loan fees they won't be OK well help you beat ffp.

I think its nufc fans who are in for a shock. It won't be easy cracking the top 4 as you think it'd going to be.

 

[geordiedan]

Realistically, how many blue chip players do you think you will sign? I am using your estimate at cost and contract length with regards to ffp. Loan players will be the bulk of your spend imo

If you class Bruno as blue chip. I would say maybe 1, max 2. Depending on value for money.

 

[Banks]

If you class Bruno as blue chip. I would say maybe 1, max 2. Depending on value for money.

He's not blue-chip at all

He's had like 4 good games

 

[geordiedan]

Yes but selling clubs will want big loan fees they won't be OK well help you beat ffp.

I think its nufc fans who are in for a shock. It won't be easy cracking the top 4 as you think it'd going to be.

We’ll have to see. I know the rules have been tightened, but there’s ALWAYS a way round it.

He's not blue-chip at all

He's had like 4 good games

What you classing as blue chip ?? If you’re talking Mbappe etc. Then none.

 

[Banks]

We’ll have to see. I know the rules have been tightened, but there’s ALWAYS a way round it.

What you classing as blue chip ?? If you’re talking Mbappe etc. Then none.

Yes Everton spent just 1.5m and could go down as a result. Should have asked geordie Dean for advice

We’ll have to see. I know the rules have been tightened, but there’s ALWAYS a way round it.

What you classing as blue chip ?? If you’re talking Mbappe etc. Then none.

Someone who would get in a top 4 side. He wouldn't get in the man city Liverpool or Chelsea sides.

Maybe spurs or arsenal at a push

 

[cluffy]

I think you're a little deluded.

They'll be banned for European competition and sanctioned by the Premier League if they ignore FFP.

They can spend another £100M no problem but they can't spend that amount every window moving forward.

They can give players away but that wouldn't be offset against their spending so that would be very foolish.

Well I’m happy to be proved wrong in this case and I hope you’re right.

 

[geordiedan]

Yes Everton spent just 1.5m and could go down as a result. Should have asked geordie Dean for advice

Someone who would get in a top 4 side. He wouldn't get in the man city Liverpool or Chelsea sides.

Maybe spurs or arsenal at a push

Everton are the example of how not to do it. That’s why the word pragmatic gets mentioned a lot when talking about nufc.

 

[cluffy]

They spent less than they would have done had they had to spend themselves out of the Championship. I have referred to it as pragmatic. We'll see - I think you are wrong.

I hope I’m wrong.
The simple fact is they are in a much better position than they were before Xmas. Absolutely crazy to pretend they aren’t

 

[geordiedan]

Yes Everton spent just 1.5m and could go down as a result. Should have asked geordie Dean for advice

Someone who would get in a top 4 side. He wouldn't get in the man city Liverpool or Chelsea sides.

Maybe spurs or arsenal at a push

So someone like Andreas Christensen or Mendy. Yes I think we could sign players of that quality. There’s plenty like that throughout Europe.

I hope I’m wrong.
The simple fact is they are in a much better position than they were before Xmas. Absolutely crazy to pretend they aren’t

I admire your honesty Cluffy. Shame there’s not a few more like you. Think there’s a few in denial on here.

 

[North Yorks Mackem]

Commercial revenue is an area we can grow significantly. Fair market value sponsorship of shirts, sleeves, training grounds, official pillow partners and all that bollocks.

Pragmatic growth is the most sensible route, like you say. Everton are an example of how not to do it. The quotes that we're taking our lead from Man City, but also from the likes of Brighton and Brentford. In that we need joined up thinking, youth coaching, through recruitment, to 1st team coaching all has to be aligned. Hence Dan Ashworth.

Build up everything else, the stuff that doesn't factor into FFP concerns, at the same time as evolving the squad (getting rid of the players who came up with us from the Championship for a start). 1 or 2 'blue chip' players could well deliver top half plus a better performance in the cups. Fatten out the squad with players like Burn and Targett, i.e. competent Premier League players, instead of has-been or never was.

It is absolutely guaranteed your sponsorship deals won't reflect anything like fair market value. You will inevitably abuse the rules in much the same way man city do.

Talk of pragmatic growth also laughable. Everything financially related to the club will be grossly inflated. But hard to prove otherwise.

Let's not talk as if this is a normal functioning club now. It isn't. It's the saudi state using a football team to improve its image. That's not achieved in the way they want through pragmatic growth.

 

[Black Dog]

This company could always sponsor them.

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[North Yorks Mackem]

Yes that's the point fair.

You can't announce a sponsorship on par with Liverpool and Man City when your 14th.

You'll still do it but good luck with Uefa on that one

Man city claim they can attract bigger sponsorship deals than Liverpool and Real Madrid. Its utterly laughable. They have nowhere near the same pull, or commercial attractiveness, overseas as those two clubs despite their recent bought success.

Look at how much psg abused ffp. Wheres their punishment? Same with city. The state owned clubs will continue to make a mockery of the rules. Money rules unfortunately.

 

[Deleted member 35145]

Dean Henderson apparently signing on a season long loan. Will mean Dubravka is likely to get moved on - he is one of their few assets with any value.

They’ve been trying to unsettle Saint Maximin over the last few months and seem to have been quite successful. Lingard in on a free to replace him?

Not sure if they’ve got too many other players to shift with much value.

This article from Douglas a few weeks back suggested almost all their players were available:

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Those widely known to be available include Hayden, Clark, Dwight Gayle, Karl Darlow and Matt Ritchie. There will be takers but all are on good contracts that will make it difficult for clubs in the Championship to match their wages.

Of the next tier, Newcastle might be tempted to consider offers for Miguel Almiron and even captain Jamaal Lascelles.

The unspoken possibility is

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– big individuals who the club insist are not for sale but who carry substantial value.

 

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