Pugs - Absolutely knackered

ivanthereasonable said:
I hate dogs being bred to certain specifications regardless of health issues these poor little ferkers have.
On a par with docking the tails of certain types. Hate animal cruelty.
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"Dogs abuse" is a common saying that shouldn't exist..we are the cruelest animals on the planet.
VINCENT VEGA said:
Aye but the difference between a Great Dane and a Chihuahua is mental they could be a difterent species all together.
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And it hasn't taken very long to get those examples from wolves.
 
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Spike said:
I’ve got a pug like, our lass had him before we got together
I wouldn’t get another one (or any dog actually) and I wouldn’t dream of breeding him.
The only issue we have with his health is his minging teeth and bad breath, he needs pretty regular cleaning at the vets and won’t let us do it
Touch wood he has had no major health issues needing vet treatment at all in 5 years but he can’t cope exercising in the heat (owt above 12/13c) cause of the breathing issue and his temperament is not great.
He’s unpredictable when off the lead and reactive to everything (so doesn’t get off any more), he is anxious and needy as well. He demands your attention round the clock which is a pain in the arse and he’s hard to train cause he’s not bothered about treats. He is very high energy and needs playing with constantly, he chases a laser pen round the house and the garden pretty much til he collapses
He is in decent shape for a pug but gets a strict diet and walks at least an hour a day, his brother who her mate has got is a right little chunk though and is always at the vets for eye problems, stomach problems, hip problems etc
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That sounds like a nightmare more than a pet.
VINCENT VEGA said:
Aye but the difference between a Great Dane and a Chihuahua is mental they could be a difterent species all together.
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Look at birds too. Something as tiny as a Wren and then something as massive as an Ostrich.
 
My Alsatian died of the same condition that most of them do. What I didn't realise at the time was that the cause of most of this was due to a specific superficial aspect of the breeding process ie its done entirely for cosmetic effect. Most alsatians have painful final years because of it. It breaks my heart now when I'm out now seeing them, 95% of them I see of any age have the tell-tale sloped back. If you look at pictures of the average Alsatian from 100 years ago they're square as a table.

Pugs are adorable but they also shouldn't exist. The vanity of breeding animals who are physically bred to live in distress for the sake of appearance is wicked beyond words
 
The Butcher said:
Too many scumbags breeding dogs to death for the money. Its out of control, our lass works in a vets and sees the other side when dogs need treatment but owners won't because of cost, even when they have paid £000s for the dog.
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If you don't insure something like a dog which can cost a lot of fix, then you shouldn't be allowed one.
I'd say the same for cats, but dogs probably need insurance even more.
Deffo insure your cats too people.
 
Cypher said:
Just a bit off topic but saw someone with a Akita the other day and thought fuck owning that.

The Japanese fighting dog would own you. It didn't have a care in the world.
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They are lovely dogs very clever. With dogs it all comes down to the owners imo
 
We have had three.

Belle who died last year was 12 and never had any trouble breathing. We had to keep an eye on her on really hot days but that's it.

We have an 8 year old and a brand new puppy now, both fit and healthy.

This story is totally overblown in my experience. There are some flat faced dogs with breathing issues yes. There are other breeds with other issues.

For instance, bigger breeds tend to lose their mobility and their legs go. It's cruel but it happens and often at a young age. Doesn't happen to small dogs like pugs anywhere near as much.

The focus on pugs is just the new thing in the news today. It'll be back to staffys mauling children next and then foxes killing the family rabbit.

Those of you who think pugs are mega unhealthy and you feel so sorry for them, have you actually ever owned one? If you did you would realise you're wrong.
 
mux said:
We have had three.

Belle who died last year was 12 and never had any trouble breathing. We had to keep an eye on her on really hot days but that's it.

We have an 8 year old and a brand new puppy now, both fit and healthy.

This story is totally overblown in my experience. There are some flat faced dogs with breathing issues yes. There are other breeds with other issues.

For instance, bigger breeds tend to lose their mobility and their legs go. It's cruel but it happens and often at a young age. Doesn't happen to small dogs like pugs anywhere near as much.

The focus on pugs is just the new thing in the news today. It'll be back to staffys mauling children next and then foxes killing the family rabbit.

Those of you who think pugs are mega unhealthy and you feel so sorry for them, have you actually ever owned one? If you did you would realise you're wrong.
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Had a pal who had two. One you could tell it wasn't all there ran sidewards always grunting.

Poor thing died one morning they came down and had blood coming out nose.

His other one lived past 8 years though.
 
sonson said:
My Alsatian died of the same condition that most of them do. What I didn't realise at the time was that the cause of most of this was due to a specific superficial aspect of the breeding process ie its done entirely for cosmetic effect. Most alsatians have painful final years because of it. It breaks my heart now when I'm out now seeing them, 95% of them I see of any age have the tell-tale sloped back. If you look at pictures of the average Alsatian from 100 years ago they're square as a table.

Pugs are adorable but they also shouldn't exist. The vanity of breeding animals who are physically bred to live in distress for the sake of appearance is wicked beyond words
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I've had four Alsatians/German Shepherds and none of them had the arthritis issues associated with the sloping back because they all came from working stock rather than show stock.

They had a slight slope but nothing as pronounced as the 'perfect' specimens you see at dog shows. All of them, apart from the one in my profile picture, lived well into double figures but would never have come anywhere in a competition.
 
Jap Stammer said:
I've had four Alsatians/German Shepherds and none of them had the arthritis issues associated with the sloping back because they all came from working stock rather than show stock.

They had a slight slope but nothing as pronounced as the 'perfect' specimens you see at dog shows. All of them, apart from the one in my profile picture, lived well into double figures but would never have come anywhere in a competition.
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Ours was a rescue so I've no idea about his breeding. He actually lived the average amount for one tbh but its just the pain and indignity of the last year that hurts. The car broke down on his final day as well so I had to carry all 25kg of him about a mile to the vet for the injection.
 
mux said:
We have had three.

Belle who died last year was 12 and never had any trouble breathing. We had to keep an eye on her on really hot days but that's it.

We have an 8 year old and a brand new puppy now, both fit and healthy.

This story is totally overblown in my experience. There are some flat faced dogs with breathing issues yes. There are other breeds with other issues.

For instance, bigger breeds tend to lose their mobility and their legs go. It's cruel but it happens and often at a young age. Doesn't happen to small dogs like pugs anywhere near as much.

The focus on pugs is just the new thing in the news today. It'll be back to staffys mauling children next and then foxes killing the family rabbit.

Those of you who think pugs are mega unhealthy and you feel so sorry for them, have you actually ever owned one? If you did you would realise you're wrong.
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It's not new though marra. It's a long established issue with all flat faced dogs.
Now, you obviously look after yours and that's grand, but the facts remain. Pugs have been bred badly over years and have resulted in the majority struggling.
This is no slight on you, but the people who have been responsible for basically breeding something to suffer.
 
Keawyeds said:
It's not new though marra. It's a long established issue with all flat faced dogs.
Now, you obviously look after yours and that's grand, but the facts remain. Pugs have been bred badly over years and have resulted in the majority struggling.
This is no slight on you, but the people who have been responsible for basically breeding something to suffer.
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The vast majority of them don't suffer though. We don't breed them of course, we have rescued 2 of the 3. We do a lot of work with a pug welfare charity, fostering pugs for short periods of time or just picking them up and taking them to a new home. None of the ones we have ever had have suffered with their breathing.

Now unless we've just been really lucky, the prevalence of breathing issues must not be as high as is being made out.

Nobody is complaining about large breed dogs that have high risk of their legs going before they reach 10. Why not?

It's a fallacy to suggest that pugs are unhealthy. They simply aren't.
 
54 times more likely to suffer BOAS. Who would have guessed at such an unfortunate outcome of breeding for that cutesy, flat-faced look?
 

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