NUFC and other Sportswashing Spring 2022

[Skylon]

I agree.

re: your second point, isn't that the case with many fans of many clubs? I'm sure that if you were to search through this board you'd find Sunderland fans flitting between thinking the manager is the perfect man for promotion, to he'll take you down. It's just football. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Obsessed

 

[Deleted member 1169]

Do you mean me, or do you mean the Newcastle fan base as a whole? I think I take more of an interest in this message board than the overwhelming majority of Newcastle fans. But even I don't know exactly where you are in the league (Play off spots?), who your players are, what the possession stats are and so on. And I honestly don't care. I browse this board (and this thread specifically) because it's genuinely funny how much some of you will whip yourselves into a state about us.

There've been clearly made up stories about the 'Mag at Work' insisting something like we'll sign Mbappe, or Howe should win Manager of the Year, or Newcastle will win the league in 5yrs (or whatever), followed by pages of posts calling that made up Newcastle fan a deluded ****. It's objectively funny to watch the self-induced meltdowns.

The reason there's a twitter account dedicated to finding the ridiculous stuff on here, is because there's a lot of stuff on here worthy of ridicule. For balance, there's plenty of normal stuff on here and plenty of ridiculous stuff on other boards about other clubs too.

Made up stories?

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Am I blinkered or should Eddie Howe be in the running for Manager of the Year?

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[honest mag]

I don't think there are any SAFC twitter a/c's who's sole intention is to loiter on the mags etc. ("hello" if you are watching") for content then post on social media. I also do not think we have anyone to compete with Michael Martin who tweets hatred from morning to night. Also, interesting how mags, who love banter, disappear and only return after a Newcastle win or after a Sunderland humiliation?

I would agree with that, its not so much twitter accounts but more the NUFC FB pages, I had. good bit of banter last night on FB with one of yours on a NUFC page, nothing nasty at all but good banter.

 

[Deleted member 1169]

I would agree with that, its not so much twitter accounts but more the NUFC FB pages, I had. good bit of banter last night on FB with one of yours on a NUFC page, nothing nasty at all but good banter.

I think Fb is different because it is less anonymous and more reflective of "real" banter.

 

[The Fish]

Made up stories?

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That kid is a wum, man. He's the one who made up the story about Chris Wood "Meowing" at Kurt Zouma ffs. You might as well hold up UFO-botherer Mouth of the Tyne as some kind of representative.

 

[Squat]

That thread on NO is 4 years old. You lot can smash out a 1,000 page thread in a month.

You have to wonder, why you get so wound up though? If a mackem was on TT and acted like the Newcastle fans on here, nobody would get as bothered. We don't tend to get so angry.

It's entertainment. Some people have their trashy tv, I enjoy reading the stream of nonsense that flows through these gigantothreads.

“we’ve been posting about mags for years” yeah, well that thread on your forum goes back 4 years and there will be more before that. 500+ posts a month, an equivalent thread on here would be 4-5k posts a month due to the traffic and the amount of mags on here and the replies they generate. Guess what, this thread = 4k posts in a month. And we are the obsessed ones? Sounds about the same to me, but you keep trying to tell us how you lot don’t care while defending and deflecting against your despot owners.

 

[Bears Beets]

@The Fish bothers his cat, pass it on

 

[honest mag]

I think Fb is different because it is less anonymous and more reflective of "real" banter.

I would agree and the less anonymous bit is very true, on here folk do hide behind aliases etc, if I am honest in the 'fun' exchange he prob got the better of me. Going back to this site however, it is different to virtually all other fanzine sites and that is why it is so unique and mostly very good.Would you care to answer just one question with total honesty..... and it is about our owners!

We get so much grief, not for who they are but more for the horrific human rights issues in SA, that is something no argument can change, it will only change over time if this improves and by the time that is recognised most of us will have shuffled off this planet anyway. So, as a Newcastle fan I see so many Sunderland Fans saying if they had taken over SAFC they would have walked away forever. Is this really the case? Most genuine fans and people in general are appalled by their way of life but most genuine fans also love their football team? I am of the opinion that virtually every fan of every club would have welcomed the investment Newcastle potentially have, am I being blinkered or would you agree with that? The Saudi investment fund PIF it has to be remembered do invest in 100s of everyday products that we all use but I guess there is a touch of whataboutery in saying that.
I would just like a totally honest opinion from a Sunderland fan without the hate and vitriol.

 

[Roker Mackem]

Feeling ok @The Fish. Bit worried tbh

 

[sofatester]

Remember when the mags had a blue moon party when we reached the league cup final. Jesus wept obsessed

Aren't they organising some get together for all those fans who went to roker park in the late eighties to watch us get relegated. Dear me obsessed

Their true faith magazine over the years seems to have more articles about Sunderland than nufc. Obsessed

Don't the sad bastards still turn up at our games home and away. Tragic obsessed embarrassing fuckwits

 

[Skylon]

Feeling ok @The Fish. Bit worried tbh

He is heading for some kind of breakdown

 

[homeless kid]

No, my point is that there was a claim that Sunderland live rent free in the heads of Newcastle fans. The implication being that this isn't the case the other way around.

e.g. Your man jlaws has studied our form, our performances under Howe because he believes Howe is getting too much credit. Quite why jlaws believes he should be the arbiter of how much praise any manager should get from the fans is a whole other can of worms I'm not opening.

I think the mistake people make on social media (and also on here) is that “all mags are obsessed with Sunderland” and the counter claim “all mackems are obsessed with NUFC”.

When in reality some are and some aren’t.

Speaking as an SAFC fan I have mates who support SAFC and detest the mags, some just shrug their shoulders. I’ve also got mag mates some of whom are quite ambivalent towards SAFC.

Personally I really despise NUFC and it’s the first result a look for after SAFC and the teams around us. I’d love to rise above it sometimes but it’s fairly ingrained.

It’s all part of the fun though isn’t it. Basically like having 2 teams to support. Petty? Aye. FTM though. They’re a good team to hate - always something to gawp at!

 

[forever changes]

I would agree and the less anonymous bit is very true, on here folk do hide behind aliases etc, if I am honest in the 'fun' exchange he prob got the better of me. Going back to this site however, it is different to virtually all other fanzine sites and that is why it is so unique and mostly very good.Would you care to answer just one question with total honesty..... and it is about our owners!

We get so much grief, not for who they are but more for the horrific human rights issues in SA, that is something no argument can change, it will only change over time if this improves and by the time that is recognised most of us will have shuffled off this planet anyway. So, as a Newcastle fan I see so many Sunderland Fans saying if they had taken over SAFC they would have walked away forever. Is this really the case? Most genuine fans and people in general are appalled by their way of life but most genuine fans also love their football team? I am of the opinion that virtually every fan of every club would have welcomed the investment Newcastle potentially have, am I being blinkered or would you agree with that? The Saudi investment fund PIF it has to be remembered do invest in 100s of everyday products that we all use but I guess there is a touch of whataboutery in saying that.
I would just like a totally honest opinion from a Sunderland fan without the hate and vitriol.

Given that murdering children, beheading ‘criminals’ and marrying 11 yo girls doesn’t put you off your owners what would ? Failure in winning something ???
Genuine question

 

[homeless kid]

I agree.

re: your second point, isn't that the case with many fans of many clubs? I'm sure that if you were to search through this board you'd find Sunderland fans flitting between thinking the manager is the perfect man for promotion, to he'll take you down. It's just football. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It’s just human beings to be honest.

Politics, music, sport, covid… some people just get vexed easily.

 

[one footed wonder]

I would agree and the less anonymous bit is very true, on here folk do hide behind aliases etc, if I am honest in the 'fun' exchange he prob got the better of me. Going back to this site however, it is different to virtually all other fanzine sites and that is why it is so unique and mostly very good.Would you care to answer just one question with total honesty..... and it is about our owners!

We get so much grief, not for who they are but more for the horrific human rights issues in SA, that is something no argument can change, it will only change over time if this improves and by the time that is recognised most of us will have shuffled off this planet anyway. So, as a Newcastle fan I see so many Sunderland Fans saying if they had taken over SAFC they would have walked away forever. Is this really the case? Most genuine fans and people in general are appalled by their way of life but most genuine fans also love their football team? I am of the opinion that virtually every fan of every club would have welcomed the investment Newcastle potentially have, am I being blinkered or would you agree with that? The Saudi investment fund PIF it has to be remembered do invest in 100s of everyday products that we all use but I guess there is a touch of whataboutery in saying that.
I would just like a totally honest opinion from a Sunderland fan without the hate and vitriol.

I agree that walking away from the club you have followed for years will not be an easy decision, however how about just a bit more balance

Any criticism of owners is met with a passionate, blinkered defence.

Sometimes this is added to by a we can’t do anything about it we are just fans….there is actually lots you can do

Just as a start How about not signing a petition to have them become your owners, how about not partying outside the ground in tea towels when the takeover was announced.

How about using the platforms that supporters groups have such as wor flags etc to show the owners just how much you are against their human rights record, that you find it abhorrent.

How about bombarding the local MP as you did in attempts to have Ashley removed, with messages about how you want this regimes crimes highlighted and shouted about and that due to their human rights abuses they aren’t welcome?

No hate from me, no vitriol. A recognition that as fans walking away may be too tough for some……how about a response without the blind deference to the new owners and certainly whataboutery that gets thrown round.

 

[The Fish]

Feeling ok @The Fish. Bit worried tbh

Aye, grand. I was finding it all pretty entertaining, but now we're tumbling down the tired old road with the same tired old shtick which is boring as hell.

Strawman arguments, ad hominem posts, and (the classic), stating I'm someone else entirely because there's a funny video of him losing his shit over cat treats at a co-op.

They're wheeled out by the usual crowd because they haven't the creativity to come up with a counterpoint, or an original gag.

 

[Deleted member 1169]

I would agree and the less anonymous bit is very true, on here folk do hide behind aliases etc, if I am honest in the 'fun' exchange he prob got the better of me. Going back to this site however, it is different to virtually all other fanzine sites and that is why it is so unique and mostly very good.Would you care to answer just one question with total honesty..... and it is about our owners!

We get so much grief, not for who they are but more for the horrific human rights issues in SA, that is something no argument can change, it will only change over time if this improves and by the time that is recognised most of us will have shuffled off this planet anyway. So, as a Newcastle fan I see so many Sunderland Fans saying if they had taken over SAFC they would have walked away forever. Is this really the case? Most genuine fans and people in general are appalled by their way of life but most genuine fans also love their football team? I am of the opinion that virtually every fan of every club would have welcomed the investment Newcastle potentially have, am I being blinkered or would you agree with that? The Saudi investment fund PIF it has to be remembered do invest in 100s of everyday products that we all use but I guess there is a touch of whataboutery in saying that.
I would just like a totally honest opinion from a Sunderland fan without the hate and vitriol.

I really think you are missing the point.

You don't have to tell me about what PiF invest in. I have worked with them and know exactly what they invest in. Outside of KSA nearly all equity investments are c3% and have no influence in decision making. They are purely speculative investments. In fact they quickly unwound those positions once markets responded in summer 2020. To compare an investment in twitter is like comparing chalk and cheese. It is nonsensical. In comparison PIF represent NUFC at the Premier League meetings and they can do whatever they want with your club. Whatever they choose. You haven't got your club back, you have lost it forever. They really wanted Liverpool but were given short thrift.

I am against state ownership full stop and would have liked the "Big 6" to have left to the ESL so we could reset. You are right I suspect many fans wouldn't walk away but most would not:

- wear tea towels;
- add Saudi flags to our social media profiles;
- wave Saudi flags;
- defend the killing of Khassoghi and abuse his fiance;
- defend the bombing of Yemen and pretend to be middle eastern experts;
- wish MBS a happy birthday.

I have spent time with many Saudis and got on very well with them as I know the rules - avoid talking about politics, religion and sexuality. If only NUFC fans had considered them as solely providers of capital and not the saviours and making stupid statements like they will change and what better ways to get them to change by having them as owners. The fact that NUFC pride couldn't condemn them is also embarrassing. The fact that NUFC fans cannot see how the club is being used (see trip to Saudi and dancing etc.) is also embarassing.

I have long predicted a sale in summer 2026 to some other Saudi company who has been "asked" to buy them and I am sticking to that.

 

[Skylon]

You calling something boring.Ha ha ha.Nice one.If you only come on here cos you find us entertaining (not obsessed),but are now not finding us entertaining,why are you still here?This is not healthy behavior. Have a lie down

 

[sofatester]

Aye, grand. I was finding it all pretty entertaining, but now we're tumbling down the tired old road with the same tired old shtick which is boring as hell.

Strawman arguments, ad hominem posts, and (the classic), stating I'm someone else entirely because there's a funny video of him losing his shit over cat treats at a co-op.

They're wheeled out by the usual crowd because they haven't the creativity to come up with a counterpoint, or an original gag.

Bye then

 

[Thatheaderman]

I would agree and the less anonymous bit is very true, on here folk do hide behind aliases etc, if I am honest in the 'fun' exchange he prob got the better of me. Going back to this site however, it is different to virtually all other fanzine sites and that is why it is so unique and mostly very good.Would you care to answer just one question with total honesty..... and it is about our owners!

We get so much grief, not for who they are but more for the horrific human rights issues in SA, that is something no argument can change, it will only change over time if this improves and by the time that is recognised most of us will have shuffled off this planet anyway. So, as a Newcastle fan I see so many Sunderland Fans saying if they had taken over SAFC they would have walked away forever. Is this really the case? Most genuine fans and people in general are appalled by their way of life but most genuine fans also love their football team? I am of the opinion that virtually every fan of every club would have welcomed the investment Newcastle potentially have, am I being blinkered or would you agree with that? The Saudi investment fund PIF it has to be remembered do invest in 100s of everyday products that we all use but I guess there is a touch of whataboutery in saying that.
I would just like a totally honest opinion from a Sunderland fan without the hate and vitriol.

I hate the middle east in general. Terrorist west hating scum. So guess I'm out.