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Booing prior to the kick off.

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ClarenceBoddicker said:
Xenophobia is a fear or hatred of anything perceived to be foreign or strange. For example, someone from another country.

And if you're going to argue that this



Is exactly the same as this



I can't really help you as in one you're discussing a negative sentiment and, in the other, you're discussing a positive sentiment.
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It's totally different.

Xenophobia doesn't have to be based on anything at all.

It can be totally illogical and there's often treatment available for it.

Preference must be based on experience.

You can have a phobia of snakes, or anything else, without having ever encountered one.
 

A fear of snakes is called Ophidiophobia, not Xenophobia.

Yes, I had to google that. Also, I'd argue that you had to have some experience of snakes whether in the flesh or not (anecdotal, reading up on them, or seen them in a documentary or a film/TV show) to develop a phobia of them.
 
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Bear Heed said:
Prefering one group of people over another, based on experience, is perfectly logical.

You would claim you like everyone just as much which probably isn't the case.

You'd never dare admit it though.
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Proud to be a xenephobe(sorry,racist)^^^^^^^^^
 
houghton cut head said:
The rest of the country views us as backward fuckwits, despite the fact they have as many backward fuckwits as we do. The media, whilst to be honest rarely mention Sunderland anyway, but when they do, the default is to portray us negatively, you just have to look at the negative press Sunderland got over Brexit, purely because we were the first result declared, it was almost as if Brexit was voted in because of Sunderland, despite the fact that 5 other regions in the NE alone had a higher % in favour vote.
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i'd reference bear heed's response as my own tbh

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I've lived all over the UK and that really isn't my experience.

Sunderland was reported on for being the first to deare, that happens in most elections.

How was the coverage negative if that's what the majority voted for?

I really don't understand your point.
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houghton cut head said:
The rest of the country views us as backward fuckwits, despite the fact they have as many backward fuckwits as we do. The media, whilst to be honest rarely mention Sunderland anyway, but when they do, the default is to portray us negatively, you just have to look at the negative press Sunderland got over Brexit, purely because we were the first result declared, it was almost as if Brexit was voted in because of Sunderland, despite the fact that 5 other regions in the NE alone had a higher % in favour vote.
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and btw the media portrayal is irrelevant when you can hear crystal clear the fans booing when an opposition team chooses to take the knee. Whether it's a minority or not; it's very clear to hear and it paints us all, in my opinion, in a bad light.

as a Sunderland fan i find it cringey and embarrassing; especially when i'm stood amongst it at the match. that's not the media. that's people.
 
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nyron4england said:
i'd reference bear heed's response as my own tbh



and btw the media portrayal is irrelevant when you can hear crystal clear the fans booing when an opposition team chooses to take the knee. Whether it's a minority or not; it's very clear to hear and it paints us all, in my opinion, in a bad light.

as a Sunderland fan i find it cringey and embarrassing; especially when i'm stood amongst it at the match. that's not the media. that's people.
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I agree, it is embarrassing, the twats just have to stay quiet if they dont approve
 
1879 said:
I’m not condoning the booing marra, it’s a pretty idiotic thing to do.

However you’re 100% right, taking the “knee” is more about maintaining the image of the broadcasters in what has become a cesspool of greed and corruption in the English game

I suppose seeing the players continuing to do it might feel people sitting tucking in their Sunday lunch watching Sky Sports more comfortable, thinking that the PL & greedy players are doing something to end “social injustice” no matter how meaningless it actually has become.
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They’re certainly doing sweet fcuk all to end social injustice by going to Qatar for the most hideous World Cup in history.

Keep saying it but nearly 7,000 abused migrant workers have died building the stadia, most of which are getting pulled down after the tournament ends. Add to that an abhorrent human rights record and a medieval outlook on many issues in 2022, you have to laugh in absolute irony at the hypocrisy of it all. Just a sad joke.
 
Sons of The Wear said:
They’re certainly doing sweet fcuk all to end social injustice by going to Qatar for the most hideous World Cup in history.

Keep saying it but nearly 7,000 abused migrant workers have died building the stadia, most of which are getting pulled down after the tournament ends. Add to that an abhorrent human rights record and a medieval outlook on many issues in 2022, you have to laugh in absolute irony at the hypocrisy of it all. Just a sad joke.
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I didn’t realise people were booing to highlight the issues in Qatar.
So reasons for Sunderland booing the taking of the knee - clearly these are not just racist bigots - now include socialism/ Marxism, protection of statues, something about Saudi Arabia, and the World Cup in Qatar.
 
daveybigpotatoes said:
Would you not prefer that neither had them?
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Well, obviously.

That really wasn't my point which, ironically, you've just confirmed.
daveybigpotatoes said:
I didn’t realise people were booing to highlight the issues in Qatar.
So reasons for Sunderland booing the taking of the knee - clearly these are not just racist bigots - now include socialism/ Marxism, protection of statues, something about Saudi Arabia, and the World Cup in Qatar.
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If I was to boo, which I haven't and won't, it would be due to the sheer hypocrisy of it.

The English game decided to protest a murderous American policeman.

It then allowed a murderous state to become part of the English game.

Saudi Arabia have murder, torture and mutilation enshrined in their constitution.

The USA prosecuted and imprisoned the policeman.

If you can't see the hypocrisy in welcoming a barbaric country while protesting against another then fair enough.
 
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daveybigpotatoes said:
I didn’t realise people were booing to highlight the issues in Qatar.
So reasons for Sunderland booing the taking of the knee - clearly these are not just racist bigots - now include socialism/ Marxism, protection of statues, something about Saudi Arabia, and the World Cup in Qatar.
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Two things that are very noticeable on these threads:

a. Lots of people come along to say they don't boo themselves but understand people who do. Nobody ever comes along and owns it and says 'yes, I boo'. Such conviction.

b. The people who support / justify booing can never agree why:

- Sometimes it's because they are defending freedom of speech - but they will never agree that they would support people's right to boo on Remembrance Sunday or the minute's silence when the Queen dies.
- Sometimes it's because they claim they don't like the distraction from the football - but nobody ever boos any of the other distractions from the game.
- Sometimes it's because of whataboutery and because they are so concerned about other issues - they never make clear what they are doing about those issues, or when people raising those issues are booed.
- Sometimes it's because of obscure links that are made between footballers taking a knee and ideological issues relating to some group or other - even though taking the knee predates any of those groups, footballers aren't there on behalf of any of those groups, footballers aren't promoting any of those groups, footballers aren't promoting the overthrow of capitalisam. Yet despite what they have read on right wing social media, they seem to think they know the motivations of the players better than they do.

It's almost as if the really obvious reason why someone would boo someone silently protesting racism for 5 seconds may be the real reason all along.

At least the Chelsea fans who don't let black people on trains, while singing 'We're racist, and that's the way we like it' own their views, more than the snide racist ***** who boo it at the SoL.
 
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LRW said:
Two things that are very noticeable on these threads:

a. Lots of people come along to say they don't boo themselves but understand people who do. Nobody ever comes along and owns it and says 'yes, I boo'. Such conviction.
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It's a tiny percentage of 30,000 people and there's only a couple of dozen people on this thread. As it's a totally anonymous forum why wouldn't someone say they boo when there are no consequences?

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b. The people who support / justify booing can never agree why:
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Could that be because there are various reasons, it's not like it's a gang of connected people.
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- Sometimes it's because they are defending freedom of speech - but they will never agree that they would support people's right to boo on Remembrance Sunday or the minute's silence when the Queen dies.
- Sometimes it's because they claim they don't like the distraction from the football - but nobody ever boos any of the other distractions from the game.
- Sometimes it's because of whataboutery and because they are so concerned about other issues - they never make clear what they are doing about those issues, or when people raising those issues are booed.
- Sometimes it's because of obscure links that are made between footballers taking a knee and ideological issues relating to some group or other - even though taking the knee predates any of those groups, footballers aren't there on behalf of any of those groups, footballers aren't promoting any of those groups, footballers aren't promoting the overthrow of capitalisam. Yet despite what they have read on right wing social media, they seem to think they know the motivations of the players better than they do.

It's almost as if the really obvious reason why someone would boo someone silently protesting racism for 5 seconds may be the real reason all along.

At least the Chelsea fans who don't let black people on trains, while singing 'We're racist, and that's the way we like it' own their views, more than the snide racist ***** who boo it at the SoL.
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There you go again, making out the kneeling is only about racism when the EFL clearly say it isn't.

You, along with a few others, seem to come on these threads solely to shout 'racist' at people even when they say they're not.

It smacks of being a little prejudiced tbh.
 
daveybigpotatoes said:
Just watched match of the day and it showed Newcastle clapping the knee like all the other Prem clubs. I don’t think the demographics are that different between the cities so why do we appear to have more racist / poorly educated / anti marxist statue huggers coincidentally with BNP tattoos/ coked up losers
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You’ve been done up like a kipper tbh. I watched it live and they were mid song clapping their hands before they took the knee. Someone at MOTD has gone oh we’ll edit that to make it look like they’re started vigorously applauding the knee
 
Here's a question for everyone to ponder.

I'd say, and others may agree, that you'd expect actors to be liberal minded, socially aware and not prone to prejudice and racism. Their audiences may well believe they fit into that category.

Perhaps football players may not fit so easily into that scenario, nor do their spectators.

So, why don't actors and their audiences take a moment, pre-show, to kneel or observe a silence?

Is it because they don't want to spoil the buzz of excitement just before the lights go down?

Do they see themselves as better educated and above all that?

Or is there another reason?
 
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“Why does 11 blokes taking the knee offend you” Why does a few blokes in the South Stand saying ‘boo’ offend you?
Safc98 said:
You’ve been done up like a kipper tbh. I watched it live and they were mid song clapping their hands before they took the knee. Someone at MOTD has gone oh we’ll edit that to make it look like they’ve started vigorously applauding the knee
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Skylon said:
I don't understand why people don't admit what they are.If you boo,you are racist,just admit it.The excuses you have listed man,its crazy.Nearly as bad as 'But I have black friends,so I can't be racist'.All these excuses.Its the same with tories,not many admit to being one of them either.'I am left leaning,but....'or 'I'm no tory,but.....'

Gets the right frothing
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People like you are a massive problem in our society.

Any debate just instantly shut down with accusations of racism.

Assuming your not on a windup ofcourse.

Que the witty 'your a racist' response.
 
Row 3 said:
f***ing embarrassing. Seem determined to prove Sunderland is the insular xenophobic crater a lot of the country already take us for.
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I haven't been regularly for a lot of years now, but from what I read on here nowadays, the Town that I was proud to call home seems to be an Alien place nowadays, or is it just the S O L?
 
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