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LRW said:
I'm not sure how you can come to the conclusion that "Fans aren't necessarily booing because they're racists, they just want to see a game of football" when they don't boo anything else.

Team huddles are never booed.
Minutes' silences are never booed.
Minutes' applauses are never booed.
The commemoration of fans who have died in the last home game of the season is never booed.
The last post at Armistice Day is never booed.
The mascots running off the pitch are never booed (in fact the lad coming off in his chair yesterday was rightly and loudly applauded).
The playing of Wise Men Say over the loudspeakers before the match is never booed.
Players taking drinks breaks and getting tactical advice from their managers during the game while a player is getting treatment are never booed.
Teams who decide to switch ends before kick off are never booed.
Substitutions are never booed because they are holding up the game.
Players praying before the match or when coming on as a substitute are never booed.
Refs and linesmen checking the goals are never booed.
Presentations of former players, Academy of Light teams, Foundation of Light teams, sponsors, womens teams, etc, are never booed.

But the 5 / 10 seconds when some players choose to take a knee to make a symbolic stand against racism is booed. Why do you think that is the odd one out?

Are the people booing because, although they are not racists, they have carefully researched the origins of the Black Lives Matter movement and the history of taking the knee in the USA, and on the basis of that knowledge, they are reject some of the perceived philosophical links between some elements of that movement and political philosophies which, following their research, they feel do not align with their own values?

Or are they just racists who want to disrupt people spending 5 / 10 seconds of silence to take a symbolic stand against racism?

Just looking at the frothing, Neanderthal gammons around me yesterday who were booing, I know which of the two I'd put my money on.
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Post of the year so far 😎😎
 
Behind Enemy Lines said:
Remembrance Sunday is once a year, not every week.

And the trend of having a minute's applause for something or other every week (which seems to have died down a bit now) got on my tits too. I just want to watch the football without having this shite imposed on me all the time - is that too much to ask?
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It's imposed on you?
Snowflake
 
martin_s_buckley said:
I would have thought we would be past racism by now.
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Everyone has a degree of racism in them tbh, including yourself.

You won't admit it of course but I'd guess there are some races you'd generally prefer to others.

I usually get on with Australians but haven't met a white South African I could abide.

In a bar, watching their two football teams play, I'd gravitate towards the Aussies.

You may believe you're different but I'd doubt it.
 
People still defending the booing of taking the knee, you have to be especially ignorant.
Don't like it in your little world....fine, but booing or defending the booing is disgusting.
 
Waskerly Mackem said:
The answer is an obvious one.

I got the taking the knee protest a few years ago. For a match or two at least, fair enough.

However, time has moved on and the knee protest has achieved nothing of substance. Yes, it has raised awareness, but that's it. But we already had the "Kick it Out" initiative for that.

I just want the teams to come on the pitch and play. No fuss, no delays. Fans aren't necessarily booing because they're racists, they just want to see a game of football. The want to forget about the outside world. Protest are for outside football.

It's a bit like if a group plays on the pitch before a game. Most people basically ignored them while they waited for the game to start. Think back to the very early Premiership and the attempt at a few grounds to have cheerleaders. Again, ignored.

Bringing extras or protests into the game is a no no with alot of fans. Going to the match is about the game and perhaps a few pints before and after. We're not the USA or any of these countries where such things might be the norm.

Our players have on the whole stopped taking the knee as a standard action due to fan pressure and I think you'll find there's a quiet majority of fans feel this way. For every person that boos (I'm not amongst them as I think it gives our own players the wrong impression), there's probably three of four fans queitly agreeing with the sentiment that taking the knee shouldn't be coming into the game or continuing as a protest.

Taking the knee for the above reasosns needs now to be forgotten about. And let's remember that while systemic racisim in any society is wrong, let's also remember that George Floyd himself before the incident that kicked all this off was not the most savoury of characters. What the police did was very, very worng and the policeman concerned is now in prison.

But taking the knee for a protest where it was initiated for the way over the top actions during the arrest of a known criminal I just don't agree with.

If you want my support for a campaign against systemic racism, you already have that for the original "Kick it out" campaign.

I'm not a racist or a gammon, noting I'm a reasonably moderate left-of-centre, pro-EU Labour voter. But two years on from the start of the "taking the knee" protest, I just cannot support it.

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Spot on and many will agree who don’t boo the “knee.”

Simply branding people as “racist” who don’t agree it should be done before a football match and has achieved very little, isn’t really the answer either.
The Freshest Kid said:
It’s not really a surprise is it? If you were asked to name teams with the largest racist elements within their supports we’d be right up there alongside the likes of Burnley, Millwall and Chelsea.
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Based on?
 
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CissesUnderpants9 said:
Post of the year so far 😎😎
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To be fair,
"show racism the red card" was never booed
"Kick racism out of football" was never booed.

BLM kneeling
- imorted from America, which spread across Britain, and while the entire country was locked down trying to protect the NHS, these loons were out attacking police officers, attacking statues, and generally stirring up racial tensions -
was booed.
The Premier League, Sky, politicians, and most normal people agreed and disowned BLM, and most players stopped kneeling. However a small minority carried on, and rather admit they were wrong declared that their kneeling now means something entirely different, and anyone that doesn't agree is a racist and scum. Essentially most of them are the same BLM race baiters that they now pretend not to be.
 
1879 said:
Spot on and many will agree who don’t boo the “knee.”

Based on?
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Based on wanting it to be true I'd expect.

Certainly not having experience of the other 91 clubs.

In my experience the smaller clubs, like Shrewsbury and Chesterfield, have a high racist element.

But none come close to Cardiff and Swansea who almost all hate the English.
 
LRW said:
I'm not sure how you can come to the conclusion that "Fans aren't necessarily booing because they're racists, they just want to see a game of football" when they don't boo anything else.

Team huddles are never booed.
Minutes' silences are never booed.
Minutes' applauses are never booed.
The commemoration of fans who have died in the last home game of the season is never booed.
The last post at Armistice Day is never booed.
The mascots running off the pitch are never booed (in fact the lad coming off in his chair yesterday was rightly and loudly applauded).
The playing of Wise Men Say over the loudspeakers before the match is never booed.
Players taking drinks breaks and getting tactical advice from their managers during the game while a player is getting treatment are never booed.
Teams who decide to switch ends before kick off are never booed.
Substitutions are never booed because they are holding up the game.
Players praying before the match or when coming on as a substitute are never booed.
Refs and linesmen checking the goals are never booed.
Presentations of former players, Academy of Light teams, Foundation of Light teams, sponsors, womens teams, etc, are never booed.

But the 5 / 10 seconds when some players choose to take a knee to make a symbolic stand against racism is booed. Why do you think that is the odd one out?

Are the people booing because, although they are not racists, they have carefully researched the origins of the Black Lives Matter movement and the history of taking the knee in the USA, and on the basis of that knowledge, they are reject some of the perceived philosophical links between some elements of that movement and political philosophies which, following their research, they feel do not align with their own values?

Or are they just racists who want to disrupt people spending 5 / 10 seconds of silence to take a symbolic stand against racism?

Just looking at the frothing, Neanderthal gammons around me yesterday who were booing, I know which of the two I'd put my money on.
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North Yorks Mackem said:
I genuinely find it nuts that players kneeling for 5 seconds before a game (it has no impact on the match itself) is viewed as having "shite imposed on me".
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I genuinely find it nuts that any fucker kneeling down for 5 seconds makes any difference to anything in the world, unless their head is getting chopped off
Bear Heed said:
Everyone has a degree of racism in them tbh, including yourself.

You won't admit it of course but I'd guess there are some races you'd generally prefer to others.

I usually get on with Australians but haven't met a white South African I could abide.

In a bar, watching their two football teams play, I'd gravitate towards the Aussies.

You may believe you're different but I'd doubt it.
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Prefer the SA actually
 
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CEF said:
To be fair,
"show racism the red card" was never booed
"Kick racism out of football" was never booed.

BLM kneeling
- imorted from America, which spread across Britain, and while the entire country was locked down trying to protect the NHS, these loons were out attacking police officers, attacking statues, and generally stirring up racial tensions -
was booed.
The Premier League, Sky, politicians, and most normal people agreed and disowned BLM, and most players stopped kneeling. However a small minority carried on, and rather admit they were wrong declared that their kneeling now means something entirely different, and anyone that doesn't agree is a racist and scum. Essentially most of them are the same BLM race baiters that they now pretend not to be.
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Most players stopped kneeling?They nearly all kneel,don't they?who else,apart from us doesn't kneel.
Bear Heed said:
Based on wanting it to be true I'd expect.

Certainly not having experience of the other 91 clubs.

In my experience the smaller clubs, like Shrewsbury and Chesterfield, have a high racist element.

But none come close to Cardiff and Swansea who almost all hate the English.
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I don't think you know what racism is
 
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Wayne The Punk said:
I genuinely find it nuts that any fucker kneeling down for 5 seconds makes any difference to anything in the world, unless their head is getting chopped off

Prefer the SA actually
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Racist ;)
Skylon said:
Most players stopped kneeling?They nearly all kneel,don't they?who else,apart from us doesn't kneel.

I don't think you know what racism is
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Yes I do.

I don't think you know what the kneeling is for.
 
Bear Heed said:
Everyone has a degree of racism in them tbh, including yourself.

You won't admit it of course but I'd guess there are some races you'd generally prefer to others.

I usually get on with Australians but haven't met a white South African I could abide.

In a bar, watching their two football teams play, I'd gravitate towards the Aussies.

You may believe you're different but I'd doubt it.
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This isn't racism
 
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