Booing prior to the kick off.

[Father Jack Hackett]

It’s the concept people don’t like. The sheer hypocrisy in football astounds me. Such as the premier league virtue signalling over Ukraine yet allowing the Saudi’s to take over clubs, it’s as though the irony is lost on them.

Exactly. There was all of the outcry of the Super League and that wanker Neville with his "enough is enough" speech. Gsry Neville who was last week swigging gratis wine in Qatar and eulogising what a fantastic host for a world cup it it - the epitome of greed and corruption in the game.

 

[Qwerty]

Are the South Stand booing the opposition for taking the knee or are they booing the Sunderland players for not taking the knee?

Eitherway it's not good to hear and should stop.

They're booing Marxism, socialism lefties and everything associated with them. NHS, state education, minimum wage etc.
They want a world where the free market will completely rule.

 

[CissesUnderpants9]

It's 8 seconds. The booing is stupid. And anyone defending the booing is just as bad.

The same people booing are probably the same people who are outraged by players not wearing a poppy.

Yeah, you won't hear a peep out of that lot come November.

 

[Shibby Safc]

People booing the kneeling are fannies just as much as those people who complain about the booing. Do what you like, no one is hurting anyone else. You're all grown ups stop being so precious either way.

 

[S.S.R..]

Maybe they think after having two Premier League footballers up for rape and one for hoofing a cat around a room, lecturing the fans is a bit of a cheek.

(Don't think they should boo though, as it just gives fuel to racists and race-baiters alike)

 

[Skylon]

Exactly. There was all of the outcry of the Super League and that wanker Neville with his "enough is enough" speech. Gsry Neville who was last week swigging gratis wine in Qatar and eulogising what a fantastic host for a world cup it it - the epitome of greed and corruption in the game.

Do you honestly think people are booing for this reason?I know what you mean about the hypocrisy ,but I really don't think people are booing the knee for this reason

People booing the kneeling are fannies just as much as those people who complain about the booing. Do what you like, no one is hurting anyone else. You're all grown ups stop being so precious either way.

It hurts the clubs image

 

[forzamilansafc]

Are the South Stand booing the opposition for taking the knee or are they booing the Sunderland players for not taking the knee?

Eitherway it's not good to hear and should stop.

It wasn't just the south stand mind

 

[Qwerty]

If you boo because you hate Marxism and socialism who should ask the club to send back the solidarity payments which the club receives from the PL.
After all it goes against your free market principles.

 

[the sleeping giant]

I'm now so confused as to whether I should boo or clap that I just resort to my default position of shouting "For Fucks Sake, Oster, man - that's shit?" whenever I'm triggered, in any way.

And I always feel better for it. Trust me, it works.

 

[gazza.1990]

The answer is an obvious one.

I got the taking the knee protest a few years ago. For a match or two at least, fair enough.

However, time has moved on and the knee protest has achieved nothing of substance. Yes, it has raised awareness, but that's it. But we already had the "Kick it Out" initiative for that.

I just want the teams to come on the pitch and play. No fuss, no delays. Fans aren't necessarily booing because they're racists, they just want to see a game of football. The want to forget about the outside world. Protest are for outside football.

It's a bit like if a group plays on the pitch before a game. Most people basically ignored them while they waited for the game to start. Think back to the very early Premiership and the attempt at a few grounds to have cheerleaders. Again, ignored.

Bringing extras or protests into the game is a no no with alot of fans. Going to the match is about the game and perhaps a few pints before and after. We're not the USA or any of these countries where such things might be the norm.

Our players have on the whole stopped taking the knee as a standard action due to fan pressure and I think you'll find there's a quiet majority of fans feel this way. For every person that boos (I'm not amongst them as I think it gives our own players the wrong impression), there's probably three of four fans queitly agreeing with the sentiment that taking the knee shouldn't be coming into the game or continuing as a protest.

Taking the knee for the above reasosns needs now to be forgotten about. And let's remember that while systemic racisim in any society is wrong, let's also remember that George Floyd himself before the incident that kicked all this off was not the most savoury of characters. What the police did was very, very worng and the policeman concerned is now in prison.

But taking the knee for a protest where it was initiated for the way over the top actions during the arrest of a known criminal I just don't agree with.

If you want my support for a campaign against systemic racism, you already have that for the original "Kick it out" campaign.

I'm not a racist or a gammon, noting I'm a reasonably moderate left-of-centre, pro-EU Labour voter. But two years on from the start of the "taking the knee" protest, I just cannot support it.

Queue abuse.

Your post there took longer to type than it did for a team to quickly kneel, it is neither here nor there and impacts no one that boos by them doing it. Zero excuse to Boo it.

 

[TravellingMackem]

Outside of the well-publicised Zaha and maybe a few other that I haven't seen (happy to be provided links) is this a widespread opinion enough to abandon taking the knee altogether?

The Zaha quote in particular seems to be a lighting rod to all racists/those opposed in so much as "he doesn't think it's worth it so why bother".

Is there a certain percentage that need to voice an opinion to make it valid?

It hasn't. Most people aren't even bothered by it. Most people don't even notice it. It's just a percentage of people who seem to offended by it.

I honestly don't get why people think it's dividing society or need to boo.

So is booing.

So you acknowledge that it is indeed causing problems/divides/offence or whatever you want to badge it as to some of society then? As I said. Not saying it’s right or wrong, just that it is dividing people unnecessarily

 

[Definitely Maybe]

The answer is an obvious one.

I got the taking the knee protest a few years ago. For a match or two at least, fair enough.

However, time has moved on and the knee protest has achieved nothing of substance. Yes, it has raised awareness, but that's it. But we already had the "Kick it Out" initiative for that.

I just want the teams to come on the pitch and play. No fuss, no delays. Fans aren't necessarily booing because they're racists, they just want to see a game of football. The want to forget about the outside world. Protest are for outside football.

It's a bit like if a group plays on the pitch before a game. Most people basically ignored them while they waited for the game to start. Think back to the very early Premiership and the attempt at a few grounds to have cheerleaders. Again, ignored.

Bringing extras or protests into the game is a no no with alot of fans. Going to the match is about the game and perhaps a few pints before and after. We're not the USA or any of these countries where such things might be the norm.

Our players have on the whole stopped taking the knee as a standard action due to fan pressure and I think you'll find there's a quiet majority of fans feel this way. For every person that boos (I'm not amongst them as I think it gives our own players the wrong impression), there's probably three of four fans queitly agreeing with the sentiment that taking the knee shouldn't be coming into the game or continuing as a protest.

Taking the knee for the above reasosns needs now to be forgotten about. And let's remember that while systemic racisim in any society is wrong, let's also remember that George Floyd himself before the incident that kicked all this off was not the most savoury of characters. What the police did was very, very worng and the policeman concerned is now in prison.

But taking the knee for a protest where it was initiated for the way over the top actions during the arrest of a known criminal I just don't agree with.

If you want my support for a campaign against systemic racism, you already have that for the original "Kick it out" campaign.

I'm not a racist or a gammon, noting I'm a reasonably moderate left-of-centre, pro-EU Labour voter. But two years on from the start of the "taking the knee" protest, I just cannot support it.

Queue abuse.

There's a difference between thinking the knee has run its course (which I agree with) and actively booing it though.

If people just want to get on with the game, why do they not boo the Last Post and laying the wreaths on Armistice Day? That takes a good 5 minutes compared to a 5 second knee.

You mentioned people ignoring the kids games because they're not interested. That's exactly what I do with the knee - just ignore it rather than boo or boo the kids.

We often have minutes applauses during games for fans who have died. Personally I find that a bit cringeworthy - people die every day but we can't honour them all individually, that's why we have a collective silence at the last home game. But I would never boo it.

All the reasons previously given have been well and truly debunked - Marxism, defunding the police, all lives matter etc. But people still boo a 5 second anti-discrimination gesture. But then deny that they're booing because they disagree with the message.

 

[Father Jack Hackett]

Do you honestly think people are booing for this reason?I know what you mean about the hypocrisy ,but I really don't think people are booing the knee for this reason

It hurts the clubs image

I wasn't talking about taking the knee mate, I was on about general hypocrisy in the game. Gary Neville is one of the biggest hyocrites going.
Booing taking the knee is poor imo though I can't really hear it were I sit.

 

[Skylon]

Is there a certain percentage that need to voice an opinion to make it valid?

So you acknowledge that it is indeed causing problems/divides/offence or whatever you want to badge it as to some of society then? As I said. Not saying it’s right or wrong, just that it is dividing people unnecessarily

You implied it's fairly clear black players think it's a box ticking exercise. When only a few have voiced this opinion.I think the amount of players still taking the knee(it's their choice)is a fairer reflection of how many are still behind it.I wonder why you would want to imply such a thing?

 

[Rick O Shea]

Is it not the early leavers booing because they aren't there to boo at full time?

 

[viccarlton]

love a good boo thread me like.

@Boo

 

[Black Cat Gypsy]

Is there a certain percentage that need to voice an opinion to make it valid?

So you acknowledge that it is indeed causing problems/divides/offence or whatever you want to badge it as to some of society then? As I said. Not saying it’s right or wrong, just that it is dividing people unnecessarily

It's not dividing the majority of people. The majority of people don't even notice it. It's only 8 seconds before a match. If you see a problem with that and think it's dividing society, then the problem is with you.

 

[Hep]

Surprised that teams are still doing the BLM thing, now that most of society have realised that they were a bunch of divisive loons and disowned them.

Who are "They"

BLM is both a distributed organisation and a phrase to support the fight against racism, the two things are different and I'm sure you know that.

 

[S.S.R..]

Me, hearing millionaires who could literally live anywhere on the planet telling me how horrible we are:

You must be logged on to see media items

 

[ClarenceBoddicker]

Is there a certain percentage that need to voice an opinion to make it valid?

So you acknowledge that it is indeed causing problems/divides/offence or whatever you want to badge it as to some of society then? As I said. Not saying it’s right or wrong, just that it is dividing people unnecessarily

You said that it’s fairly clear that it’s seen as a box-ticking exercise by the black players to be fair. To come to such a conclusion dissension must be pretty widespread as you couldn’t make such a claim if it was just a handful of players.

It’s like saying one person walking off a job with 1000 on the payroll is a ‘widespread strike’. That’s obviously no criticism of the minority as that is what the whole discussion is about.