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NUFC and other Sportswashing Spring 2022

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ToonPack said:
This whole sports washing business is utter shite.

Saudi Arabia is less than 100 years old as a country, formed in one of the harshest environments on earth and as a result I would suggest made up of the harshest of people.

To expect a new nation, especially in that part of the world, to conform and adopt "western" standards and become a benign society like ours, that developed/matured over centuries, is preposterous.

Is what happens there awful, of course it is, by our standards, but to compare it to what we experience in the west is pure folly.

You can't just flick a switch, it took 200 years for our monarchy to finally move from absolute to constitutional, why should we expect different elsewhere. Even after our centuries of societal development we didn't outlaw the execution of minors until 1908. As Saudi was being formed 1932/33, we were administering India and at that same time, under our governance, average life expectancy in India was 28 years old, twenty fecking eight. Women couldn't vote here until 1928. In my lifetime (yeah I'm old) black people couldn't even get on a fecking bus in the USA.

We're not that great ourselves.

We have to engage and guide and mentor, not use the big stick otherwise we see what happens in that part of the world.

Saudi Arabia has been around for the blink of an eye in historical terms in its societal development.

Meanwhile in this beacon of loveliness we call the UK, we have circa 3000 foodbanks and 200-300 folks a day die of Covid due to government mishandling, at least the 81 who were executed had a fair trial according to the laws of THAT land, our covid victims not so much.
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You’ve come on here to slag the uk off whilst defending KSA. You lot make me sick. You would defend putin If he was buying a new striker for you .We always knew you lot where scum , but now the world knows and we are watching.
 
ToonPack said:
This whole sports washing business is utter shite.

Saudi Arabia is less than 100 years old as a country, formed in one of the harshest environments on earth and as a result I would suggest made up of the harshest of people.

To expect a new nation, especially in that part of the world, to conform and adopt "western" standards and become a benign society like ours, that developed/matured over centuries, is preposterous.

Is what happens there awful, of course it is, by our standards, but to compare it to what we experience in the west is pure folly.

You can't just flick a switch, it took 200 years for our monarchy to finally move from absolute to constitutional, why should we expect different elsewhere. Even after our centuries of societal development we didn't outlaw the execution of minors until 1908. As Saudi was being formed 1932/33, we were administering India and at that same time, under our governance, average life expectancy in India was 28 years old, twenty fecking eight. Women couldn't vote here until 1928. In my lifetime (yeah I'm old) black people couldn't even get on a fecking bus in the USA.

We're not that great ourselves.

We have to engage and guide and mentor, not use the big stick otherwise we see what happens in that part of the world.

Saudi Arabia has been around for the blink of an eye in historical terms in its societal development.

Meanwhile in this beacon of loveliness we call the UK, we have circa 3000 foodbanks and 200-300 folks a day die of Covid due to government mishandling, at least the 81 who were executed had a fair trial according to the laws of THAT land, our covid victims not so much.
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You are as thick as a castle wall. Your eyes are firmly blinkered to ignore the attrocities commited by the Saudi state. Yemen? Nope, I don't know anything about it!

As for fair trial 🤥

To help enlighten you just a tad here's the first google result for the search 'Saudi Arabia fair trial'.

You must be logged on to see external links

Anyway, seeing as you like autocratic rule I've banned you indefinitely. We can't have idiots using this forum as a mouthpiece for murderers.
 
ToonPack said:
This whole sports washing business is utter shite.

Saudi Arabia is less than 100 years old as a country, formed in one of the harshest environments on earth and as a result I would suggest made up of the harshest of people.

To expect a new nation, especially in that part of the world, to conform and adopt "western" standards and become a benign society like ours, that developed/matured over centuries, is preposterous.

Is what happens there awful, of course it is, by our standards, but to compare it to what we experience in the west is pure folly.

You can't just flick a switch, it took 200 years for our monarchy to finally move from absolute to constitutional, why should we expect different elsewhere. Even after our centuries of societal development we didn't outlaw the execution of minors until 1908. As Saudi was being formed 1932/33, we were administering India and at that same time, under our governance, average life expectancy in India was 28 years old, twenty fecking eight. Women couldn't vote here until 1928. In my lifetime (yeah I'm old) black people couldn't even get on a fecking bus in the USA.

We're not that great ourselves.

We have to engage and guide and mentor, not use the big stick otherwise we see what happens in that part of the world.

Saudi Arabia has been around for the blink of an eye in historical terms in its societal development.

Meanwhile in this beacon of loveliness we call the UK, we have circa 3000 foodbanks and 200-300 folks a day die of Covid due to government mishandling, at least the 81 who were executed had a fair trial according to the laws of THAT land, our covid victims not so much.
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Come back to me with a comparison of income inequality and also freedom (see Cato.org). The Saudi image your or I see is not realistic. If you educated and middle class in Saudi you lead a very good life, albeit with little freedom.
 
ToonPack said:
This whole sports washing business is utter shite.

Saudi Arabia is less than 100 years old as a country, formed in one of the harshest environments on earth and as a result I would suggest made up of the harshest of people.

To expect a new nation, especially in that part of the world, to conform and adopt "western" standards and become a benign society like ours, that developed/matured over centuries, is preposterous.

Is what happens there awful, of course it is, by our standards, but to compare it to what we experience in the west is pure folly.

You can't just flick a switch, it took 200 years for our monarchy to finally move from absolute to constitutional, why should we expect different elsewhere. Even after our centuries of societal development we didn't outlaw the execution of minors until 1908. As Saudi was being formed 1932/33, we were administering India and at that same time, under our governance, average life expectancy in India was 28 years old, twenty fecking eight. Women couldn't vote here until 1928. In my lifetime (yeah I'm old) black people couldn't even get on a fecking bus in the USA.

We're not that great ourselves.

We have to engage and guide and mentor, not use the big stick otherwise we see what happens in that part of the world.

Saudi Arabia has been around for the blink of an eye in historical terms in its societal development.

Meanwhile in this beacon of loveliness we call the UK, we have circa 3000 foodbanks and 200-300 folks a day die of Covid due to government mishandling, at least the 81 who were executed had a fair trial according to the laws of THAT land, our covid victims not so much.
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Are you taking the piss? Its nothing to do with East and West. These are highly educated people (generally educated in the West who enjoy lifstyles rich with trappings of the West), commiting some of the worst attrocities a human can commit.

Thr fact you, as a Newcastle fan are coming on to defend them (did you prior to takeover?) proves that sportswashing is certainly not utter shite and that because your club can sign expensive fullbacks, you will ignore lives being extinguished on a daily basis.
Job done.

The issue of social deptivation is an appalling one by the way but those 81 poor sods on Saturday won't even get to experience that. Gone, lives finished, in a single day.
 
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ToonPack said:
This whole sports washing business is utter shite.

Saudi Arabia is less than 100 years old as a country, formed in one of the harshest environments on earth and as a result I would suggest made up of the harshest of people.

To expect a new nation, especially in that part of the world, to conform and adopt "western" standards and become a benign society like ours, that developed/matured over centuries, is preposterous.

Is what happens there awful, of course it is, by our standards, but to compare it to what we experience in the west is pure folly.

You can't just flick a switch, it took 200 years for our monarchy to finally move from absolute to constitutional, why should we expect different elsewhere. Even after our centuries of societal development we didn't outlaw the execution of minors until 1908. As Saudi was being formed 1932/33, we were administering India and at that same time, under our governance, average life expectancy in India was 28 years old, twenty fecking eight. Women couldn't vote here until 1928. In my lifetime (yeah I'm old) black people couldn't even get on a fecking bus in the USA.

We're not that great ourselves.

We have to engage and guide and mentor, not use the big stick otherwise we see what happens in that part of the world.

Saudi Arabia has been around for the blink of an eye in historical terms in its societal development.

Meanwhile in this beacon of loveliness we call the UK, we have circa 3000 foodbanks and 200-300 folks a day die of Covid due to government mishandling, at least the 81 who were executed had a fair trial according to the laws of THAT land, our covid victims not so much.
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So it's okay to celebrate bloody money because the Saudi's are a bunch of uneducated savages? It's a novel argument I suppose.

If you suddenly get an invite to the embassy I'd maybe give it a miss.
 
ToonPack said:
This whole sports washing business is utter shite.

Saudi Arabia is less than 100 years old as a country, formed in one of the harshest environments on earth and as a result I would suggest made up of the harshest of people.

To expect a new nation, especially in that part of the world, to conform and adopt "western" standards and become a benign society like ours, that developed/matured over centuries, is preposterous.

Is what happens there awful, of course it is, by our standards, but to compare it to what we experience in the west is pure folly.

You can't just flick a switch, it took 200 years for our monarchy to finally move from absolute to constitutional, why should we expect different elsewhere. Even after our centuries of societal development we didn't outlaw the execution of minors until 1908. As Saudi was being formed 1932/33, we were administering India and at that same time, under our governance, average life expectancy in India was 28 years old, twenty fecking eight. Women couldn't vote here until 1928. In my lifetime (yeah I'm old) black people couldn't even get on a fecking bus in the USA.

We're not that great ourselves.

We have to engage and guide and mentor, not use the big stick otherwise we see what happens in that part of the world.

Saudi Arabia has been around for the blink of an eye in historical terms in its societal development.

Meanwhile in this beacon of loveliness we call the UK, we have circa 3000 foodbanks and 200-300 folks a day die of Covid due to government mishandling, at least the 81 who were executed had a fair trial according to the laws of THAT land, our covid victims not so much.
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What an absolute load of steaming shite.
 
ToonPack said:
This whole sports washing business is utter shite.

Saudi Arabia is less than 100 years old as a country, formed in one of the harshest environments on earth and as a result I would suggest made up of the harshest of people.

To expect a new nation, especially in that part of the world, to conform and adopt "western" standards and become a benign society like ours, that developed/matured over centuries, is preposterous.

Is what happens there awful, of course it is, by our standards, but to compare it to what we experience in the west is pure folly.

You can't just flick a switch, it took 200 years for our monarchy to finally move from absolute to constitutional, why should we expect different elsewhere. Even after our centuries of societal development we didn't outlaw the execution of minors until 1908. As Saudi was being formed 1932/33, we were administering India and at that same time, under our governance, average life expectancy in India was 28 years old, twenty fecking eight. Women couldn't vote here until 1928. In my lifetime (yeah I'm old) black people couldn't even get on a fecking bus in the USA.

We're not that great ourselves.

We have to engage and guide and mentor, not use the big stick otherwise we see what happens in that part of the world.

Saudi Arabia has been around for the blink of an eye in historical terms in its societal development.

Meanwhile in this beacon of loveliness we call the UK, we have circa 3000 foodbanks and 200-300 folks a day die of Covid due to government mishandling, at least the 81 who were executed had a fair trial according to the laws of THAT land, our covid victims not so much.
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Nonsense. Pure and simple. Parallels can’t be drawn here, either in real time or historically. What we have done in the past is not an excuse or justification for it being done now. A food bank does not constitute stoning a rape victim to death. To suggest we can engage or mentor these people is naive at best. The practices they engage in have been going on since 622 ad, so not the blink of an eye.
We may not be great but we don’t hack peoples heads off anymore. I note you’ve studiously ignored their war in the Yemen that has to date taken the lives of over ten thousand children.
The uncomfortable truth here is that the supporters of NUFC welcomed the KSA with open arms. Indeed campaigned for them.
No amount of essaying on history can change that. The facts are there for all to see.
whether we engage with them or not on an economic level is unfortunately largely a matter of government policy.
Whether we allow them to own our football clubs is another matter. If the support of NUFC had any kind of a moral compass never mind a shred of human decency they could have campaigned against the takeover and sent the Saudis packing. Instead they did the opposite. Another fact. Simply put their gratification and entertainment is more important to them than someone else’s life.
 
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ToonPack said:
This whole sports washing business is utter shite.

Saudi Arabia is less than 100 years old as a country, formed in one of the harshest environments on earth and as a result I would suggest made up of the harshest of people.

To expect a new nation, especially in that part of the world, to conform and adopt "western" standards and become a benign society like ours, that developed/matured over centuries, is preposterous.

Is what happens there awful, of course it is, by our standards, but to compare it to what we experience in the west is pure folly.

You can't just flick a switch, it took 200 years for our monarchy to finally move from absolute to constitutional, why should we expect different elsewhere. Even after our centuries of societal development we didn't outlaw the execution of minors until 1908. As Saudi was being formed 1932/33, we were administering India and at that same time, under our governance, average life expectancy in India was 28 years old, twenty fecking eight. Women couldn't vote here until 1928. In my lifetime (yeah I'm old) black people couldn't even get on a fecking bus in the USA.

We're not that great ourselves.

We have to engage and guide and mentor, not use the big stick otherwise we see what happens in that part of the world.

Saudi Arabia has been around for the blink of an eye in historical terms in its societal development.

Meanwhile in this beacon of loveliness we call the UK, we have circa 3000 foodbanks and 200-300 folks a day die of Covid due to government mishandling, at least the 81 who were executed had a fair trial according to the laws of THAT land, our covid victims not so much.
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You're so stupid you're dangerous! I'm actually gobsmacked at how idiotic this comment is.
 
Dilligaf60 said:
Nonsense. Pure and simple. Parallels can’t be drawn here, either in real time or historically. What we have done in the past is not an excuse or justification for it being done now. A food bank does not constitute stoning a rape victim to death. To suggest we can engage or mentor these people is naive at best. The practices they engage in have been going on since 622 ad, so not the blink of an eye.
We may not be great but we don’t hack peoples heads off anymore. I note you’ve studiously ignored their war in the Yemen that has to date taken the lives of over ten thousand children.
The uncomfortable truth here is that the supporters of NUFC welcomed the KSA with open arms. Indeed campaigned for them.
No amount of essaying on history can change that. The facts are there for all to see.
whether we engage with them or not on an economic level is unfortunately largely a matter of government policy.
Whether we allow them to own our football clubs is another matter. If the support of NUFC had any kind of a moral compass never mind a shred of human decency they could have campaigned against the takeover and sent the Saudis packing. Instead they did the opposite. Another fact.
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Easy now mate. Because we
Dilligaf60 said:
Nonsense. Pure and simple. Parallels can’t be drawn here, either in real time or historically. What we have done in the past is not an excuse or justification for it being done now. A food bank does not constitute stoning a rape victim to death. To suggest we can engage or mentor these people is naive at best. The practices they engage in have been going on since 622 ad, so not the blink of an eye.
We may not be great but we don’t hack peoples heads off anymore. I note you’ve studiously ignored their war in the Yemen that has to date taken the lives of over ten thousand children.
The uncomfortable truth here is that the supporters of NUFC welcomed the KSA with open arms. Indeed campaigned for them.
No amount of essaying on history can change that. The facts are there for all to see.
whether we engage with them or not on an economic level is unfortunately largely a matter of government policy.
Whether we allow them to own our football clubs is another matter. If the support of NUFC had any kind of a moral compass never mind a shred of human decency they could have campaigned against the takeover and sent the Saudis packing. Instead they did the opposite. Another fact.
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Easy now mate. Because we were hosting witch trials in the 18th century, we can't expect these poor non-westernised sods to not reverse a lorry-load of rubble onto a victim of rape
 
ToonPack said:
We've done a lot of that too

Feel free to recant my post, in detail.
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I know this might sound daft, but it is possible to support your club without feeling the need to defend the Saudi regime and all their human rights atrocities. You come across as someone having gone through a full Sportswash cycle, emerged with a slight remaining moral value, so got put through another deep Sportswashing cycle just to be on the safe side.
 
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