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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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EchoMan said:
I was brought up in the back streets of a Durham pit village. Me dad worked for the NCB. Me mam worked in a care home. I’ve done well for meself. My children have degrees and now they all have their own businesses. All on the back of hard work and state education.

As a working class lad I would never send my kids to public school and neither would my children send our grand kids.

It’s not inverted snobbery. It’s principles. Nobody should get an advantage because they can afford to pay for it.
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Northern_chappy said:
Undoubtedly. However the connections that can be made at public school are much more important than the education gained.

The jobs held by many of the MPs sitting in the House of Commons are an example of what can be achieved by knowing the right people.
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That's understandable but his ambition was to join the Navy, so it's not relevant to him. He could have done that with a state education.

Anyway, as others have said, none of it is relevant to this thread.
 
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Hair Flick said:
I was torn listening to him but it sounded from the heart rather than scripted, just the tone of his voice and his body language.
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Yes, generally believable, but there were still gaps in his story. He comes across as a clever bloke and the part where he states he has no awareness at all is questionable.
Plausible deniability once in a situation where the barrel is pointing at you isn’t unrealistic.

However, propaganda is designed to misinform people and he does display genuine regret.
 
Georgewhitt said:
Because I was a rating mate. It's what he wanted to do.
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My father was a RN rating and advised me not to join RN as it was being run down even in ‘60’s and I wanted to go to sea as a navigator, became a deck apprentice with P&O, had a cracking time but never wanted to be a rating. Kudo’s to your son though.
 
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Georgewhitt said:
Yes mate, it is quite rare.
You check it out with your mates in the Post Office club buddy.
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The P.O. Club is the home to many RN vets and the HQ of the unofficial Solent branch of SAFC supporters, dunno why you're trying to denigrate it.

P.M. me a name and I'll chase it up. There's not that many at that rank in the RN anyway nowadays.
 
TexasMackem said:
Quite astonishing that he seems to have no prior knowledge of the Ukrainian government though. You'd think they'd possess a passive understanding of the culture of their geographical neighbours. This Nazi bollocks is laughably implausible to us half a world away, but has been accepted at face value by seemingly intelligent people over there.
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The story that they had their phones taken from them seems consistent with others prisoners.
Generally people are trusting and believe what they’re told (and maybe what they might want to believe).
If your commanders are repeating a message to you over and over you might question it but you’ll also go along with it.

Look at the shit show in the US with covid, Qanon etc. the amount of rubbish people believe because they trust the messenger is astonishing.
 
Kevj said:
He is, which makes me wonder if the speech is either orchestrated or he is playing to an audience.
The competence on display isn’t aligned with someone who has been easily deceived.
I’m not saying what he portrays isn’t correct, but he does need to be selective in relation to what story he puts forward.

That said, it comes across as generally honest and hopefully this sentiment makes its way back to the motherland and others listen.
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Pretty sure he does show the piece of paper and say there was a prepared statement but they’ll just wing it instead?
 
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