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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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Wilsonian said:
You'd have to think his days are numbered like.

There'll be plenty of influetial bods in Russia who can see how this shitsow is likely to unfold.
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The problem is he controls the media to such an extent the average Russian still believes that they are liberating Ukraine from Nazis. There was a BBC report of Ukrainians with Russian parents, calling their parents, while under attack, being told they were lying and that any attack on them was coming from Ukrainian Nazis! When parents won’t believe what their own children tell them, directly from the war zone, you realise just how much of a parallel universe Putin has created. For any change to happen we have to find a way to get the truth to the average Russians.
 

Old Timer said:
The problem is he controls the media to such an extent the average Russian still believes that they are liberating Ukraine from Nazis. There was a BBC report of Ukrainians with Russian parents, calling their parents, while under attack, being told they were lying and that any attack on them was coming from Ukrainian Nazis! When parents won’t believe what their own children tell them, directly from the war zone, you realise just how much of a parallel universe Putin has created. For any change to happen we have to find a way to get the truth to the average Russians.
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His is bonkers. When the sanctions really start to bite is he going to tell them NATO has become Nazi and he needs to start the Second Great Patriotic War?
 
Old Timer said:
The problem is he controls the media to such an extent the average Russian still believes that they are liberating Ukraine from Nazis. There was a BBC report of Ukrainians with Russian parents, calling their parents, while under attack, being told they were lying and that any attack on them was coming from Ukrainian Nazis! When parents won’t believe what their own children tell them, directly from the war zone, you realise just how much of a parallel universe Putin has created. For any change to happen we have to find a way to get the truth to the average Russians.
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Here is that article. It’s like North Korea or parts of QAnon America. It will take a generation to integrate Russian people back into the real world.

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From one hour ago on Guardian live feed. Putin with a funny idea of negotiation:

Putin says conflict will only stop if Ukraine stops fighting and Russia's demands are met - Kremlin​

Vladimir Putin has said Russia’s military operation would only be halted if Kyiv stopped resisting and fulfilled all of the Kremlin’s demands.

Putin told Turkish president Tayyip Erdoğan by telephone that Ukraine’s negotiators should take a more “constructive” approach in talks with Moscow to take into account the reality on the ground.

Putin, whose comments were published in a Kremlin readout of the call, said his “special operation” in Ukraine was going according to plan and to schedule.

“It was underlined that the suspension of the special operation is only possible if Kyiv stops military operations and carries out well-known Russian demands,” the Kremlin said.

Russia calls its actions in its former Soviet neighbour a “special operation” that seeks to destroy Ukraine’s military capabilities, purge the country of what it says are nationalists and make it a neutral state.

The Kremlin leader told Erdoğan that Moscow was open to dialogue with the Ukrainian authorities, but that he hoped Ukrainian negotiators would take a more constructive approach at the next round of talks.

“Attention was drawn to the futility of any attempts to drag out the negotiation process, which is being used by the Ukrainian security forces to regroup their forces and resources,” the Kremlin said

“It is hoped that during the planned next round of negotiations, Ukraine’s representatives will show a more constructive approach, fully taking into account the emerging realities.”
 
UpTheDuff said:
From one hour ago on Guardian live feed. Putin with a funny idea of negotiation:

Putin says conflict will only stop if Ukraine stops fighting and Russia's demands are met - Kremlin​

Vladimir Putin has said Russia’s military operation would only be halted if Kyiv stopped resisting and fulfilled all of the Kremlin’s demands.

Putin told Turkish president Tayyip Erdoğan by telephone that Ukraine’s negotiators should take a more “constructive” approach in talks with Moscow to take into account the reality on the ground.

Putin, whose comments were published in a Kremlin readout of the call, said his “special operation” in Ukraine was going according to plan and to schedule.

“It was underlined that the suspension of the special operation is only possible if Kyiv stops military operations and carries out well-known Russian demands,” the Kremlin said.

Russia calls its actions in its former Soviet neighbour a “special operation” that seeks to destroy Ukraine’s military capabilities, purge the country of what it says are nationalists and make it a neutral state.

The Kremlin leader told Erdoğan that Moscow was open to dialogue with the Ukrainian authorities, but that he hoped Ukrainian negotiators would take a more constructive approach at the next round of talks.

“Attention was drawn to the futility of any attempts to drag out the negotiation process, which is being used by the Ukrainian security forces to regroup their forces and resources,” the Kremlin said

“It is hoped that during the planned next round of negotiations, Ukraine’s representatives will show a more constructive approach, fully taking into account the emerging realities.”
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The "emerging realities on the ground" ...... like Russia is becoming more desperate?
 
UpTheDuff said:
From one hour ago on Guardian live feed. Putin with a funny idea of negotiation:

Putin says conflict will only stop if Ukraine stops fighting and Russia's demands are met - Kremlin​

Vladimir Putin has said Russia’s military operation would only be halted if Kyiv stopped resisting and fulfilled all of the Kremlin’s demands.

Putin told Turkish president Tayyip Erdoğan by telephone that Ukraine’s negotiators should take a more “constructive” approach in talks with Moscow to take into account the reality on the ground.

Putin, whose comments were published in a Kremlin readout of the call, said his “special operation” in Ukraine was going according to plan and to schedule.

“It was underlined that the suspension of the special operation is only possible if Kyiv stops military operations and carries out well-known Russian demands,” the Kremlin said.

Russia calls its actions in its former Soviet neighbour a “special operation” that seeks to destroy Ukraine’s military capabilities, purge the country of what it says are nationalists and make it a neutral state.

The Kremlin leader told Erdoğan that Moscow was open to dialogue with the Ukrainian authorities, but that he hoped Ukrainian negotiators would take a more constructive approach at the next round of talks.

“Attention was drawn to the futility of any attempts to drag out the negotiation process, which is being used by the Ukrainian security forces to regroup their forces and resources,” the Kremlin said

“It is hoped that during the planned next round of negotiations, Ukraine’s representatives will show a more constructive approach, fully taking into account the emerging realities.”
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Only one word for it chilling,

We‘re dealing with a gangster plain and simple
 
cosmicchris00 said:
Chasing them from conquered territories will be difficult enough, as will removing Putin.

Getting them to relinquish their nuclear arsenal will be impossible.
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Agreed. If so, I don't think helping Russia or its people should be a priority. If there is consequence to threatening global annihilation, they'll keep doing it.
 
A spy within the Ukrainian Government?

Pics on Twitter of his body. Looks like he's been shot in the head.

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