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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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Sweeper said:
You quoted him indicating precisely what I’d said. So thanks again.
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Not in any reality.
Sweeper said:
I’m proposing we act to defend an innocent free democratic nation from an illegal invasion. You ca frame that as “mentally unstable” as much as you want, but it’s a rational position to take and until relatively recently, it was supposed to be what we stood for.
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We should do all we can to help Ukraine, all out war will bebefit no one.
Sweeper said:
And to answer your rather silly final question - I’m not a trained, professional soldier. Of which the West has plenty.
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Neither are many Ukrainians, and you seem as up for it as they are, sat in your bedroom at home.
Would you be willing to go and fight if we go to war, or would you have yet another excuse?
 

cfg said:
The Iraeli PM is going to Berlin now, not London! He is seeing German Chancellor, would indicate that we are not leading as our PM keeps telling us.
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To be fair we didn’t bankroll the Russian war machine either. Germany are the big player in this. Their economy is a colossus and I think in the end strangling the money will end this for Putin.
 
Sweeper said:
Putin already knows that to be fair. He just doesn’t want the Russian public to know it as well.
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Putin can't look the Israeli PM in the eye and say Russia is fighting Nazism in Ukraine, which is his main claim for attacking the country.
 
UpTheDuff said:
What a defeatist attitude… ‘let’s concede defeat to tyranny because we’re too scared to fight for the free world’.

How will this and future invasions be ‘put right’ if we never do anything to put it right.

Would you let Putin take over Britain because it could be put right in the future?
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More scared of destroying the free world than scared to fight for it. A Britain that is decimated by thousands of kilotonnes of nuclear warheads isn’t ever being put right. Taking a nuclear escalation route at this stage when Putin is already in a fairly vulnerable position and may be gone in weeks would be madness.
Putin is a temporary problem, a nuclear winter is an extinction event. It’s a shit position to be in undoubtedly.
 
derum said:
Not in any reality.

We should do all we can to help Ukraine, all out war will bebefit no one.

Neither are many Ukrainians, and you seem as up for it as they are, sat in your bedroom at home.
Would you be willing to go and fight if we go to war, or would you have yet another excuse?
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I’d be more than willing to fight if this country was invaded, yes. Just as the Ukrainian population is. I dare say the majority would say the same.

However, we’re not talking about that here are we? We’re talking about the combined trained, professional military might of the west sitting it out, having guaranteed the territorial integrity and security of Ukraine 28 years ago, in return for its agreement to give up its own nuclear weapons.

We’re also talking about the leader of the free world telling the assembled masses - in a major speech and before Russia had committed a single soldier - that we would be very cross and would impose sanctions/send weapons, but obviously wouldn’t actually do anything on the ground. And then - even more f***ing remarkably - that the worst of our tutting and finger wagging would be held back in the case of a “minor incursion”.

Let’s hope he doesn’t call a press conference any time soon, to tell China that we’ll be well pissed off and tut really loudly if they ever try anything more than a minor incursion in to Taiwan.
 
tiptoad said:
Putin can't look the Israeli PM in the eye and say Russia is fighting Nazism in Ukraine, which is his main claim for attacking the country.
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I’m aware that’s Russia’s public line, for domestic consumption, but I don’t think any of us consider this to be his real motivation - or, for that matter, what he is telling world leaders in direct talks.
 
Scorer said:
More scared of destroying the free world than scared to fight for it. A Britain that is decimated by thousands of kilotonnes of nuclear warheads isn’t ever being put right. Taking a nuclear escalation route at this stage when Putin is already in a fairly vulnerable position and may be gone in weeks would be madness.
Putin is a temporary problem, a nuclear winter is an extinction event. It’s a shit position to be in undoubtedly.
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Excellent synopsis and one those who wish for a more direct response should take note of.
 
Scorer said:
More scared of destroying the free world than scared to fight for it. A Britain that is decimated by thousands of kilotonnes of nuclear warheads isn’t ever being put right. Taking a nuclear escalation route at this stage when Putin is already in a fairly vulnerable position and may be gone in weeks would be madness.
Putin is a temporary problem, a nuclear winter is an extinction event. It’s a shit position to be in undoubtedly.
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Well nuclear war is never going to happen anyway (it is the complete opposite to what Putin wants to achieve) but I would rather die or live in a decimated Britain knowing we tried to defend the free world, than live in a world governed by tyranny and oppression.

How far west through Europe would you be happy for Putin or another dictator to get through before saying enough is enough?

If Putin invaded Britain and said he would nuke us if we tried to stop him, what would you think?
 
UpTheDuff said:
Well nuclear war is never going to happen anyway (it is the complete opposite to what Putin wants to achieve) but I would rather die or live in a decimated Britain knowing we tried to defend the free world, than live in a world governed by tyranny and oppression.

How far west through Europe would you be happy for Putin or another dictator to get through before saying enough is enough?

If Putin invaded Britain and said he would nuke us if we tried to stop him, what would you think?
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“I would” try thinking about others mate
 
Sweeper said:
And throughout his “detailed review”, has he found a single donation that was against the U.K. electoral law, came from a person not entitled to vote in the U.K., and/or wasn’t declared properly and publicly?

He seems to have left that part out too.
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If you buy a golden visa you can fulfill all the criteria above , would imagine of the thousands of golden visas granted in recent years some of these will look a little dodgy ….
 
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