Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)


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Away from contrary belief, nuclear deterrent only becomes an option after a point of no return. We are nowhere near that yet.
And fighting them on the ground without nuclear involvement in the UK is possible, as has been proven in Ukraine which again demonstrates why this only needs to occur if there’s literally no other option remaining.
At this point in time, the world is fucked. Not just a little bit, massively and permanently. We are all gone.
I honestly can’t believe how some would resort to this so easily and can only assume it’s because there’s no appreciation of the outcome.

Bits in bold are why I don’t think there will be nuclear war and that Putin will never fire nukes.

The option of one day recreating the Russian Empire will always be a more preferable option to Putin than destroying his own country.

It’s because he is never going to use nukes that we shouldn’t be afraid of NATO providing the air and ground support needed to defeat the invasion.
 
At present London is where the money is although I am sure it is only a matter of time before Frankfurt becomes a larger financial centre. The EU and USA are main western players in this, at present we are a bit player, prob why threats aimed at us.

Quite agree.

I disagree like. We’ve been the most vocal that I can see. We’ve committed loads and fast - people seem to be forgetting Germany and Italy refused initially to kill SWIFT.

We’ve been strong in our response it not lacking in some of the secondary affects of war.
 
Wonder if they’ll adopt the tacti of IEDs in every bin and street corner that worked so well against coalition forces in Afghanistan?
280 ish killed by IED out of total 3500 combined deaths in Afghanistan. Nightmare to try and find them though!

Injures though taking troops out of action very effective tool they used.
 
British soldiers are in some
Of the NATO states and they will fight back if Russians invade they won’t invade a nato country. Putin is desperate for the west to start on him in Ukraine he won’t be silly enough to attack a nato country

1) he isn’t under control of Ukraine
2) he wouldn’t split the fronts
3) the supply line would be worse than Ukraine

It’s Military suicide to even attempt to think of taking another country at the moment

This would also lead to Belarus being open for attack from NATO which means he would lose a vital supply line. It’s mad to think that they believe Russia cares about them and not how well they are situated for the Ukraine attack.
The Western powers have found it difficult to predict Putins next move thus far.

If Russia can pacify Ukraine they can easily force a wedge through Poland / Lithuania cutting off the Baltic states.

I'm not saying all of this is likely to happen immediately but the strategic goals of a greater Russia will likely include a 'corridor' to Kalingrad which automatically cuts the 3 Baltic states adrift.
 
Bits in bold are why I don’t think there will be nuclear war and that Putin will never fire nukes.

The option of one day recreating the Russian Empire will always be a more preferable option to Putin than destroying his own country.

It’s because he is never going to use nukes that we shouldn’t be afraid of NATO providing the air and ground support needed to defeat the invasion.

I don’t agree with what you are saying and my heart tells me we should assist in this war in with a physical presence.

Now can you guarantee me right now Putin wouldn’t see this as sufficient aggression to escalate this beyond what you expect as a response?
 
I don’t agree with what you are saying and my heart tells me we should assist in this war in with a physical presence.

Now can you guarantee me right now Putin wouldn’t see this as sufficient aggression to escalate this beyond what you expect as a response?
Don’t think anyone could guarantee that even wirh no war we always had a nuclear threat, there’s been a few near misses and this invasion could be another near miss or it could be the first nuclear war (and last)

It’s a situation no one knows your opinion isn’t right or wrong either is the other lads it’s an unknown that no one wants to really be in or predict.
 
I don’t agree with what you are saying and my heart tells me we should assist in this war in with a physical presence.

Now can you guarantee me right now Putin wouldn’t see this as sufficient aggression to escalate this beyond what you expect as a response?
Of course no one can guarantee, but at times like this big decisions have to be made based on a balance of risk and reward. I am confident enough that the risk that Putin is not going to use nukes is very low to non-existent - but that’s just my view.
 
I don’t agree with what you are saying and my heart tells me we should assist in this war in with a physical presence.

Now can you guarantee me right now Putin wouldn’t see this as sufficient aggression to escalate this beyond what you expect as a response?

Nobody can guarantee you that. However if getting that guarantee is the pre-requisite to action, then Putin can have whatever he wants can’t he? How would a piece of paper/treaty substantively change that ethical dilemma, if he was to go in to Estonia next?
 
The Western powers have found it difficult to predict Putins next move thus far.

If Russia can pacify Ukraine they can easily force a wedge through Poland / Lithuania cutting off the Baltic states.

I'm not saying all of this is likely to happen immediately but the strategic goals of a greater Russia will likely include a 'corridor' to Kalingrad which automatically cuts the 3 Baltic states adrift.
Think putin doesn’t know his move at the moment Marra it’s madness.

Invading Ukraine is in theory easier than invading Poland NATO country now that’s where the escalation point which would lead to war in Belarus no doubt. Russia would need to also supply a great supply line for any future conflicts and battles very difficult they would also need to control the skies to link up the east once again very difficult.
 
Don’t think anyone could guarantee that even wirh no war we always had a nuclear threat, there’s been a few near misses and this invasion could be another near miss or it could be the first nuclear war (and last)

It’s a situation no one knows your opinion isn’t right or wrong either is the other lads it’s an unknown that no one wants to really be in or predict.

You’re right no one knows. And that’s the issue. The west couldn’t necessarily afford to simply gamble that Putin won’t and/or that the check and balances in the Russian system would stop him
 
In further details on US Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Ukrainian foreign minister Dmytro Kuleba’s meeting at the Ukraine-Poland border a little earlier, the American diplomat praised Kuleba and Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskiy’s leadership as “inspired”.

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(US Secretary of State Antony Blinken, center, and Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba, second right, walk together after meeting at the Ukrainian-Polish border crossing in Korczowa, Poland. Photograph: Olivier Douliery/AP)

He said support for Ukraine and pressure on Russia to end the war would increase “until this war of choice is brought to an end,” the Associated Press noted.

Kuleba thanked Blinken but was firm in urging the Nato alliance to fight directly alongside Ukraine, which the west has expressed determination not to do as it risks an all-Europe conflagration, not to say a possible world war.

“We are now in the phase where maybe saying ‘No, we’re not going to do that’, but the time will come,” Kuleba said.

As the two top diplomats stood side by side under grey skies with light snow, Kuleba added: “I hope the people of Ukraine will be able to see this as a clear manifestation that we have friends who literally stand by us.”

Blinken said: “The entire world stands with Ukraine, just as I am standing here in Ukraine with my friend, my colleague.”
 

This is how we win this.

Don’t think anyone could guarantee that even wirh no war we always had a nuclear threat, there’s been a few near misses and this invasion could be another near miss or it could be the first nuclear war (and last)

It’s a situation no one knows your opinion isn’t right or wrong either is the other lads it’s an unknown that no one wants to really be in or predict.

Nobody can guarantee you that. However if getting that guarantee is the pre-requisite to action, then Putin can have whatever he wants can’t he? How would a piece of paper/treaty substantively change that ethical dilemma, if he was to go in to Estonia next?

Of course no one can guarantee, but at times like this big decisions have to be made based on a balance of risk and reward. I am confident enough that the risk that Putin is not going to use nukes is very low to non-existent - but that’s just my view.

I know it doesn’t feel right and I know we aren’t supporting Ukrainians as much as we could in the short term, but fortunately decisions made today are right.
 
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