Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

[Sweeper]

Do you mean these words?
”And so, I think what you’re going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades. And it depends on what it does. It’s one thing if it’s a minor incursion and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do, et cetera.

But if they actually do what they’re capable of doing with the forces amassed on the border, it is going to be a disaster for Russia if they further ingra- — invade Ukraine, and that our allies and partners are ready to impose severe costs and significant harm on Russia and the Russian economy.

And, you know, we’re going to fortify our NATO Allies, I told him, on the eastern flank — if, in fact, he does invade. We’re going to — I’ve already shipped over $600 million worth of sophisticated equipment, defensive equipment to the Ukrainians.”


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Anything else you want to twist to suit your agenda?

Yep. Those words exactly.

Sanctions, shipping weapons, will be very cross, won’t actually take the field, help yourself Vlad.

Would have been more helpful to Ukraine of he’d said nothing. Instead, the US has been falling over itself from day one to stress that they won’t get involved in any conflict in defence of Ukraine.

Thanks for making the point more clearly than I could be arsed to do. Much appreciated.

 

[cfg]

Stupid piece of legislation that golden visa one, don’t think abromovich ever got one mind

There are more countries that do it, Malta, Cyprus plus possibly others in EU.

 

[UpTheDuff]

What happens probably depends on whether Putin survives either literally or politically. If he goes there is a strong likelihood of a secure( ish) Ukraine and a reasonably contrite Russia that could be supported towards greater European integration and democracy. If he stays the best outcome, albeit a pretty shit one, probably is an East/West division of Ukraine. On basis that him staying requires Russia to have essentially taken Ukraine.

If Ukraine is divided it rewards the invasion and encourages Putin and other tyrants just to do more invasions because they know we will let them take half of wherever they invade.

 

[Morse]

Make no mistake - the break up of the Soviet Union is Putin's Treaty Of Versailles - we should not underestimate his anger, and more importantly, his frustration and impotence to do anything meaningful to change it

He is a very, very dangerous, thin-skinned, narcissistic, paranoid megalomaniac

He is - at this point - more dangerous than Hitler was in 1938 because he has a nuclear arsenal

Our only hope is that the others involved in actually launching the missiles see sense

It’s good to see I’m not alone in this viewpoint. I’m not easily rattled, but this has me pretty scared, tbh.
I guess I’m not cut from the same cloth as the Ukrainians!

 

[derum]

Yep. Those words exactly.

Sanctions, shipping weapons, will be very cross, won’t actually take the field, help yourself Vlad.

Thanks for making the point more clearly than I could be arsed to do. Much appreciated.

So not at all what you said.

And also there was no reference, pro or anti, to “taking the field”

Name a single world leader who has pushed for warfare, or is your agenda just against Biden?

You are making yourself look very stupid.

 

[Rustie Trombone]

It’s good to see I’m not alone in this viewpoint. I’m not easily rattled, but this has me pretty scared, tbh.
I guess I’m not cut from the same cloth as the Ukrainians!

I honestly didn't think he would invade Ukraine - all bets were off after that

His rants over the last month or so have been very Hitler like

 

[1992clock]

As every day goes by I am becoming more and more sickened and angry at this. Even more so with Russia ignoring the cease fire. Surely, despite the danger of escalating and involving further countries, we can't stand by and watch this much longer man.

 

[Sweeper]

So not at all what you said.

And also there was no reference, pro or anti, to “taking the field”

Name a single world leader who has pushed for warfare, or is your agenda just against Biden?

You are making yourself look very stupid.

Yes actually, exactly what I said. You’ve even quoted it for the sake of convenience - he could barely have spelled out any more clearly that the US and it’s allies would not lift an actual finger in defence of Ukraine.

How many days later did Putin press go - by some coincidence (I’m sure), under the pretence of Biden’s invited “minor incursion”?

 

[EchoMan]

I can see Ukraine being east Ukraine and west Ukraine only my opinion like but the iron curtain will be down half the country.

I said the same a week ago but I think we’ve moved beyond that now because of Ukraine’s resistance and Russian blunders.

 

[safcforever]

As every day goes by I am becoming more and more sickened and angry at this. Even more so with Russia ignoring the cease fire. Surely, despite the danger of escalating and involving further countries, we can't stand by and watch this much longer man.

Russia could easily just blame how long it takes to get the message out regarding a cease fire

 

[GordonMuchallNo1Fan]

They’ve been flying up and down for a few days now, don’t think that means too much, think they were escorting yesterday between Romania and Cyprus too

Cheers

 

[cfg]

I honestly didn't think he would invade Ukraine - all bets were off after that

His rants over the last month or so have been very Hitler like

But not live in front of a large crowd, whipping them into a frenzy like Hitler did, he is secreted away in the Kremlin.

 

[GordonMuchallNo1Fan]

There are planes out there because of the on-going op in Syria (Op SHADER), they always rotate them every couple of months, nothing unusual in that.

I very much doubt we'll be enforcing any form of no fly zone over Ukraine, if that happens its literally war with Russia and that will go nuclear very quickly. There will never (or should never) be a "no-fly" zone enforced by NATO over a non-NATO country that is currently in conflict with a nuclear power. It would lead to war between nuclear powers. It can NEVER happen

Good information thanks and yes agree

 

[Scorer]

If Ukraine is divided it rewards the invasion and encourages Putin and other tyrants just to do more invasions because they know we will let them take half of wherever they invade.

Like I said, a pretty shit outcome but not nearly as shit as it could be. Putin is a temporary problem, uncomfortable though it is avoiding a nuclear escalation is absolutely critical and waiting it out may be the only way to do so. Most wrongs can ultimately be put right, full scale nuclear Armageddon cannot.

 

[Morse]

Again, to be fair, I think every president thus far has been in some way linked in that way. Not that I approve.

The US is really weird about our relationship with Ireland.

Especially in Boston! Funny thing is the Irish generally seem to loathe Irish Americans.
I thought I’d clarify - I’m not anti the democrats, far from it. I just can’t stand Biden.

 

[box2box]

i wonder what this is?

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Put pressure on Fifa for example, lobby the FA to put pressure on Fifa. Speak out about it and call it out for what it is.

Interesting a flight from st Petersburg into Washington , Russian diplomats meeting US ?

Or picking up a load of iPads

 

[Concordsafc]

As every day goes by I am becoming more and more sickened and angry at this. Even more so with Russia ignoring the cease fire. Surely, despite the danger of escalating and involving further countries, we can't stand by and watch this much longer man.

This is where we have been stuck on here for days mate.

 

[ajthemackem]

Especially in Boston! Funny thing is the Irish generally seem to loathe Irish Americans.
I thought I’d clarify - I’m not anti the democrats, far from it. I just can’t stand Biden.

Whey he was the lesser of two evils in this case.
He's doing fine in my view, no real complaints. He's more a ship-steadier than anything pro-active.

But aye, they're mental in Boston.
Saying that, it's one of only two places in the US I'd happily visit.

 

[derum]

Yes actually, exactly what I said. You’ve even quoted it for the sake of convenience - he could barely have spelled out any less clearly that the US and it’s allies would not lift an actual finger in defence of Ukraine.

How many days later did Putin press go?

I quoted it to show that your statements are false. You keep proving it.

You are proposing all out war, a sure sign of mental instability.

If you believe so strongly that we should be “taking the field” why are you here typing nonsense on a forum instead of actually backing up your statements and heading to Ukraine?

 

[T_Bone]

IMO and I’m not that bright, I reckon the Israeli pm is going to see for himself what state of mind Putin is in. He will be assessing exactly what is at stake here.
Funnily enough I said to my mate yesterday if anyone can take Putin out it is Mossad. Israel will not want any nuclear shenanigans.