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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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Interesting thread on Russian air capability. Apparently they don’t have lot of precision guided missiles so their Air Force have to get up close and personal to the Ukraine defenses, which is the ideal scenario for the surface to air missiles flooding into Ukraine.

Russia does have a lot of combat aircraft though.

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brandon said:
Seriously, why do you keep quoting Yugoslavia at me? This is the second time now that I’ve asked that question.
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It's a pro-Putin line that has been circulating on social media for a while

They are trying to create a false equivalence between NATOs humanitarian missions, which at times went wrong, and Russia's fascism

Time to stop debating and start just calling out the pro-Putin accounts for what they are
 
Brezh said:
Interesting. Just before the 5 minute mark she explains how he did not eat or drink anything at a dinner, presumably for fear of being poisoined, he's even more paranoid than I imagined. I think Kevin Maguire once did an interview with ALS where he mentioned Abramovic's people contacting the club prior to an upcoming Chelsea match, one of the things they asked was has the local hospital got enough supply of his blood group?
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Sat on a train with Bob Murray around 2005, he said Abramovich's security detail was more like the SAS the one time he came to the SOL
 
Hugh Gains said:
NATO a defence alliance, that creeps east after saying it wouldn't, suffocating the Russia state along it's borders and bringing the weapons of a super power closer and closer to it's borders. You'd don't see how that's an issue to the Russians.




Once the Ukraine was brought into the fold through the IMF and given bilateral loan guarantees from the US, the strings were attached. At that point, whoever is elected is beholden to the West. Joe Biden explained how US money can be used to influence internal Ukrainian decision making "either fire him or you're not getting the billion dollars."

In the Washington Post in 2015 by Fiona Hill, a NSC member and European and Russian affairs expert, she said this.

In Putin’s view, the United States, the European Union and NATO have launched an economic and proxy war in Ukraine to weaken Russia and push it into a corner. As Valery Gerasimov, chief of staff of the Russian armed forces, has underscored, this is a hybrid, 21st-century conflict, in which financial sanctions, support for oppositional political movements and propaganda have all been transformed from diplomatic tools to instruments of war. Putin likely believes that any concession or compromise he makes will encourage the West to push further.

We've been playing a game with Ukraine, and Putin made his move, right or wrong. But, we knew the crash course this was on and did nothing to stop it, and only instigated it further.
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If that is true then we flatten them.
 
DoctorMick said:
If the wholesale price goes up globally it hits us unfortunately, no matter how much/little we source from Russia. We won’t run out, it’ll just cost a f***ing fortune.
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I’ve got a few days off graft and a new spade I’m going to dig till I manage to get me own
 
Hugh Gains said:
The Bloomberg article is conjecture and arguable sensationalism on something that hasn't happened?

I'm leaving this thread for good. You and you're ilk and are beyond reproach, unable to comprehend or challenge a narrative.
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No mate, beyond reproach is trying to defend the killing of civilians being carried out by the Russian military.

War crimes. End of.
 
Hugh Gains said:
NATO a defence alliance, that creeps east after saying it wouldn't, suffocating the Russia state along it's borders and bringing the weapons of a super power closer and closer to it's borders. You'd don't see how that's an issue to the Russians.




Once the Ukraine was brought into the fold through the IMF and given bilateral loan guarantees from the US, the strings were attached. At that point, whoever is elected is beholden to the West. Joe Biden explained how US money can be used to influence internal Ukrainian decision making "either fire him or you're not getting the billion dollars."

In the Washington Post in 2015 by Fiona Hill, a NSC member and European and Russian affairs expert, she said this.

In Putin’s view, the United States, the European Union and NATO have launched an economic and proxy war in Ukraine to weaken Russia and push it into a corner. As Valery Gerasimov, chief of staff of the Russian armed forces, has underscored, this is a hybrid, 21st-century conflict, in which financial sanctions, support for oppositional political movements and propaganda have all been transformed from diplomatic tools to instruments of war. Putin likely believes that any concession or compromise he makes will encourage the West to push further.

We've been playing a game with Ukraine, and Putin made his move, right or wrong. But, we knew the crash course this was on and did nothing to stop it, and only instigated it further.
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The Ukraine 😀😀😀😀
 
Northumberland Rocks said:
We paid 3m people to do nothing. Then sold all our utilities off so all profit goes to private individuals and not into keeping prices low and proper investment.

We now rely on Russian energy.

Tories strong on the economy though.
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that’s a total spin of facts, we don’t rely on Russian energy, just 5% of our gas comes from Russia, the real problem has been pressure groups who have effectively stopped the development of nuclear energy and fracking in U.K., had we done more in those areas we would not only of been self proficient in energy we’d of had a very balanced energy industry
 
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