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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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Concordsafc said:
It isn’t for him to agree if you put boots on the ground he is the aggressor if he attacks. Would his soldiers shell nato or the UN peacekeeping etc.
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The best you might get is a DMZ, but based on reports from the Macron call today, Putin is all in. The only way I see to end is either total defeat Ukraine or a coup against him.
 
OOOSH YEAH said:
They’ll take Kiev shortly and likely kill the president but I highly doubt they’ll be able to keep it.
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Not as easy, urban war is the most brutal and the one any soldier will tell you puts the shitters up them the most. Russians will suffer heavy losses would need a huge army to take it let alone supplies as quick to hold it it will be one hell of a battle with lots of blood shed and loss
englishman abroad said:
The best you might get is a DMZ, but based on reports from the Macron call today, Putin is all in. The only way I see to end is either total defeat Ukraine or a coup against him.
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Aye the latter is our best hope.
 
Beery said:
I’m sorry, are you justifying the killing of civilians by an invading force against a non- aggressive sovereign state because “that’s just what happens”?
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Spot on. The one thing @Hugh Gains does not seem to grasp is that this war is a complete one-way affair. It was an unprovoked invasion of a sovereign state that was providing no threat, just because Putin’s ego meant he wanted Kyiv to be in Russia.

Same way he has said he wants the conflict to cease, but refuses to say he wants the Russians to leave Ukraine (whether peacefully or by force).

Draw your own conclusions.
 
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West_Winger said:
Yeah but what are we actually doing? Yeah Johnson announced some sanctions last week but how many of them has he actually implemented? How many assets have we actually frozen? Abramovich has chosen to divest chelsea - he certainly hasn’t been made to do it by the government.

Instead we get the Home Secretary refusing to allow Ukrainians in as refugees - music to Putin’s ears I’m sure.

It’s the easiest thing in the world to talk bollocks in the commons then do nothing about it.
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I said something similar about Starmer’s questions to parliament the other day. Easy words if you don’t need to back them up.

But, it’s also understandable that people will think with their heart and not their head, certainly as more images of atrocities are posted online.

We go in hard, there’s a chance we have pushed a madman over the edge and we also justify his opinion with those who at this time are in a position to challenge that decision.

As much as I’d like to forcibly remove Putin by any means, the risk is too great.
It’s massively unfortunate that innocent Ukrainian are beating the brunt in the interim.
 
UpTheDuff said:
Spot on. The one thing @Hugh Gains does not seem to grasp is that this war is a complete one-way affair. It was an unprovoked invasion of a sovereign state that was providing no threat, just because Putin’s ego meant he wanted Kyiv to be in Russia.

Same way he has said he wants the conflict to cease, but refuses to say he wants the Russians to leave Ukraine (whether peacefully or by force).
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It’s an invasion for me, en masse invasion.
 
errant said:
I've been surprised at just how much money & influence has washed through London, been fairly naive to it all even when you get beyond the football clubs and Kensington property buys... the fact that Washington have body swerved whitehall because of the cities financial ties to Moscow has been a real eye opener.
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£200 million in British property apparently.

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Putin's going full Hitler
Russia has drawn up plans for public executions in
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as and when cities are captured by Russian troops, Bloomberg reports.

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a European intelligence official as saying that Moscow has drafted strategies to break morale in order to discourage Ukrainians from fighting back as cities fall under the Kremlin’s control.

The official said Moscow plans to crack down on protest, detain opponents and potentially carry out public executions, the news agency writes.
 
Kevj said:
The conflict is nowhere near over and they are likely to gain more ground based on numbers of reinforcements. But they also only have a finite time before the will of the people overcomes the will of the government. Sanctions will hit people far harder than those at the top.
Nuclear war aside, they won’t win this war.
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I’m not saying they’ll win but I do think they’ll get control of Kiev soon. Of course I’d rather you be right.
 
Hugh Gains said:
There's quite clearly a comparison in the sense that regardless of your intentions, the scope of the devastation can be broad.
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Yes, as the Russians have shown in multiple conflicts in Chechnya, they are willing to carpet-bomb cities and repeatedly shell civilian areas.

I'm not sure why you're so intent on engaging in whataboutism here when the Russians themselves have ample recent history of how they approach conflicts in urban areas.
 
Concordsafc said:
Not as easy, urban war is the most brutal and the one any soldier will tell you puts the shitters up them the most. Russians will suffer heavy losses would need a huge army to take it let alone supplies as quick to hold it it will be one hell of a battle with lots of blood shed and loss

Aye the latter is our best hope.
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Yeah I agree. I just think these are very dirty and I can see it getting truly awful.


Looks like an amphibious attack on Odessa is incoming. Some hardware on here like.

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OOOSH YEAH said:
Yeah I agree. I just think these are very dirty and I can see it getting truly awful.


Looks like an amphibious attack on Odessa is incoming. Some hardware on here like.

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To be honest unless the west help Ukraine will fall I am pro Ukraine and wish them all the hope in the world but they will fall, I think Kyiv will last longer than you have stated but if putin won’t give in and either will Ukraine it’s going to end one way.

Thing is Russia will be so weak after this war they wont be able to do much else’s.

Can’t rebuild what they have lost won’t get the parts or can’t afford the labor. Be a long slog for the folk of Russia.
 
englishman abroad said:
Putin's going full Hitler
Russia has drawn up plans for public executions in
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as and when cities are captured by Russian troops, Bloomberg reports.

Bloomberg
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a European intelligence official as saying that Moscow has drafted strategies to break morale in order to discourage Ukrainians from fighting back as cities fall under the Kremlin’s control.

The official said Moscow plans to crack down on protest, detain opponents and potentially carry out public executions, the news agency writes.
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Just horrific. He has to be stopped.

Can’t wait to see how @Hugh Gains tries to defend Putin on this one.
 
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