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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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southstander said:
Anyone in any doubt that Putin is not all there?

He apparently doesn’t give a toss about an appearance at The Hague to answer charges pertaining to war crimes.

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That can’t be true surely? I mean folk are already pissed off but that would really take things a step further
 
Hugh Gains said:
The NATO bombing killed about 1,000 members of the Yugoslav security forces in addition to between 489 and 528 civilians. It destroyed or damaged bridges, industrial plants, hospitals, schools, cultural monuments, private businesses as well as barracks and military installations.

It's war, this is unavoidable hence why conflict in itself should be avoided.
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It is being suggested that the Russians are deliberately targeting civilians. Was it proved NATO deliberately target those buildings you referenced ?

I can see where you are coming from and that there will be collateral damage in all wars, but if see someone deliberately targeting a populated TV tower then it’s a crime surely.
 
Hugh Gains said:
The NATO bombing killed about 1,000 members of the Yugoslav security forces in addition to between 489 and 528 civilians. It destroyed or damaged bridges, industrial plants, hospitals, schools, cultural monuments, private businesses as well as barracks and military installations.

It's war, this is unavoidable hence why conflict in itself should be avoided.
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I think people are missing that most of that list consists of valid military targets. Hospitals, schools, monuments, and businesses, no, but the rest yes.

It's difficult to judge the Russians' intent solely from pictures and videos of damage without larger context. But there's also an inferential difference that one can draw from the distinction between largely air-based campaigns like Libya, Yugoslavia and Iraq (at least the phase where most of the significant civilian damage happened) from ground attacks using fairly short-range weaponry.
 
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ir35 said:
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Incredible this if true.

I’ve never been so conflicted. Soldiers obey but the Russian soldiers are being hung out to dry by their own superiors.

The only people facing war crime tribunals has to be putin and his generals surely
 
West_Winger said:
F1 has terminated its contract with the Russian GP and it won’t have one going forward.

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All very well and good. If I may ask though, haven’t the Saudi regime been decimating Yemeni civilians for years now? Creating a humanitarian crisis. Yet they’re allowed a race no bother. Seems like virtue signaling to me by motorsport chiefs.
 
Hugh Gains said:
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There is a distinguishable difference between systematic killing and the civilians dying in a conflict.

You have to see that.

Systematic killing is on par with genocide and hideously insidious war crimes. How are the bombings of Kharkiv and Mariupol different to Baghdad, Libya and Yugoslavia?
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You do know ASB News make RT look like the Guardian?
 
Hugh Gains said:
Again, the Ukrainians are embedded in these areas and are being shelled/bombed. In regards to a tank shooting someone in a window, said tank is in a warzone, sees someone in a dangerous position relative to them and shoots? Possible explanation.

Guess it's worth linking these again.

UN stating 136 dead and over 400 injured. Linked below, wouldn't but it out of line with any of the below conflicts at this point in time but I guess civilians killed by Western forces are tolerable?

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The NATO bombing killed about 1,000 members of the Yugoslav security forces in addition to between 489 and 528 civilians. It destroyed or damaged bridges, industrial plants, hospitals, schools, cultural monuments, private businesses as well as barracks and military installations.

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Baghdad to its civilian infrastructure, economy, and cultural inheritance from the fighting, as well as looting and arson. During the invasion, the Al-Yarmouk Hospital in south Baghdad saw a steady rate of about 100 new patients an hour.

Various sources have 7000+ civilians killed in the invasion of Iraq.

There are of course anomalies, but in terms of top down systematic initiatives? Behave.




The NATO bombing killed about 1,000 members of the Yugoslav security forces in addition to between 489 and 528 civilians. It destroyed or damaged bridges, industrial plants, hospitals, schools, cultural monuments, private businesses as well as barracks and military installations.

Just because hospitals and schools have been bombed does not mean they're occupied by civilians, it also doesn't rule out them being occupied by enemy forces. I wouldn't put much stock in Victoria Derbyshire or the BBC, they clearly have their point of view. As highlighted previously contrast the western media to RT. RT are stating Ukrainians are killing civilians, whereas the Western media are saying Russia are killing civilians. No doubt both sides are, as an unfortunate consequence of the conflict, is it systematic and top down?, I highly doubt it.




I appreciate the apology. The highlighted statement is the exact problem. Neither side is impartial, now granted RT is more state controlled but don't be naïve regarding the BBC.
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Naive is not an accurate description for me mate.
I am very aware of BBC bias, but I know which one lays closer to the truth
 
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