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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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HJ91 said:
This is very worrying, a potentially massive escalation. Let's hope the west resorts to diplomacy and don't get trigger happy if the worst is confirmed.
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If shot down then fuck it, retaliate. If we don't then it ends bad anyway. If hostile action then sadly for me it needs to be hostile back.
 

According to the Romanian military, the pilot reported adverse weather conditions and had been ordered back to base just before the crash.
 
sonson said:
This war is an extension of a particular type of Russian outlook on the world and Russia's place with it that is several hundred years old. Even though Putin is old and irrational, his policies are informed by an old tradition and explain much of what is going on.

This is the case with China but to a far greater degree. With the exception of the past 300 years or so China has been the wealthiest and most powerful country in the world for basically as long as it has existed. It was wealthier, more sophisticated, populous and powerful than the Roman Empire at its height in the Antiquity era. It had crossbows and gunpowder 1000 years before Europeans did. It has cocieved of itself as a single political entity for about 4000 years.

There is a very compelling and well researched theory that both World Wars occured when they did because China was at its weakest point in history and unable to maintain the global balance It has done for millenia. It sees its purpose as being fulcrum to the world, its centre around which things evolve. Harmony and balance and maintenance are key in a way westerners simply can't understand because pretty much all those things we consider expedient. Whereas to the Chinese Political order they have guaranteed its wealth and longevity for far longer than any other civilisation in history. So they're deadly serious about it.

It is very much its own thing. It's vision of superiority is not expansionist in the way Western Powers are. If it were China would have comfortably run over pretty much anyone it liked for most of the history of civilization.

It's as foolish to project Western values onto them as it was to believe societies in the middle east want to be secular and democratic. China obviously has political ambitions as does any super power but their motives are not informed by remedial expansionism.

The US on the other hand is a civilisation born out of war and which has basically waged war against someone for its entire existence and seems to basically require it to justify its existence. Alternatively, if it dosent start wars, it agressivley fronts up to other nations it believes are encroaching on its interests, and conveniently Americas interests are wherever they pervueve them to be. Outside of Russia, they ate far my biggest concern to world peace, and us as their lap dogs if our government continues to be as supine as it has this century.
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Interesting
 
Osklen said:
Please don’t think I’m well versed in any of this as I don’t profess to be, I was just taking the piss.

I agree on face value what he has offered seems like a genuine and kind gesture.
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Haha don’t worry mate I won’t hold you to it. He’s an interesting character and as far as I’ve tried to read he’s a pretty private character. Russian finances are fascinating as is the whole set up. He’s always struck me as pretty decent so I’m just being nosey and interested to see if folk know anything I don’t.
 
OOOSH YEAH said:
Haha don’t worry mate I won’t hold you to it. He’s an interesting character and as far as I’ve tried to read he’s a pretty private character. Russian finances are fascinating as is the whole set up. He’s always struck me as pretty decent so I’m just being nosey and interested to see if folk know anything I don’t.
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It certainly is interesting and sadly I have little of interest to add. Hope you aren’t still in the bath!
 
Jasper said:
Whilst in principle this sounds great, I find myself a bit uncomfortable with the idea that the state can just seize property without compensation.
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If it’s govid it’ll take 10 years
I can see that mind thousands of immigrants housed in huge mansions in some of most expensive areas of U.K.
 
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southstander said:
I thought we were pretty sharp ‘policing’ them when they get close to UK airspace?
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The Russians never enter our airspace. They enter out ADZ or Air area of interest.

The Chinese do it very often to Taiwan.

Actually entering the airspace of Sweden, Particularly in the current climate when a military exercise is on going is a completely different level. Lucky it didn’t trigger air defence.

One is going near a border when we scramble jets. The reports are Russia actually crossed the Swedish one today
 
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