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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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Cow said:
First off we’re not in the 1930’s, that’s a moot point imo. I’d like to think as a civilisation in general We’ve got more intelligence and a lack of appetite for war.

As for a hostile power invading the U.K., it hasn’t happened, all I know is I wouldn’t want to die or have any of my family or friends fighting and at risk of dying. It’s not worth it.

In the context of Russia and Ukraine, it’s entirely up to the Ukrainians if they want to fight back, they’ve been fighting this war for years now. They also will know that the chances of a victory are very slim. For me, it’s not a case of letting putin win long term, it’s a case of fighting him in different ways….he invades Ukraine, takes the airports etc…let him have Ukraine then the west puts the sanctions in place that they have done….play the long game, avoid loss of life.
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I think he has lost no matter what happens from here. Russia will face sanctions for hopefully as long as Putin remains in charge. He will see the might of his country wilt and whither due to his own bloodlust and arrogance. While, unless it becomes part of Russia, Ukraine will align itself with the west politically, and will become part of a successful trading block and will receive a lot of funds for redevelopment.
 
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Frijj said:
That’s true and the nuclear risk we didn’t have in the 30s, but if we are going to be held to ransom over nukes when will it end?
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Hopefully, a big hope, is once this has been sorted and settled the world looks at the whole nuclear thing and does something about it….like get rid of the whole lot. One message that is loud and clear for leaders all over the world is that people have no appetite for war, we want peace. Hopefully this will hit home with politicians and changes will be made
 
Frijj said:
That’s true and the nuclear risk we didn’t have in the 30s, but if we are going to be held to ransom over nukes when will it end?
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The nukes issue is a bit frightening when looked into. Apparently the Russian (and Chinese tbf) hypersonic missiles aren't detectable by the US early warning system given that they're travelling at the thick end of 5000 miles an hour and travelling at a shallower trajectory. They've been deployed within striking distance of NATO capitals recently too.

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dangermows said:
Seen Putins military spend. Less than 10% what the Yanks spend :lol: Russias GDP is less than 10% of the EUs GDP :lol: As if they've got the resources to hold the Ukraine for so long.

Lightweights getting well and truly above their station :lol:
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He's getting about 60 Billion euros a year off the EU alone for Oil and Gas, they have a few bob under the mattress.
 
Wild Card said:
I think he has lost no matter what happens from here. Russia will face sanctions for hopefully as long as Putin remains in charge. He will see the might of his country wilt and whither due to his own bloodlust and arrogance. While, unless it becomes part of Russia, Ukraine will align itself with the west politically, and we become part of a successful trading block and will receive a lot of funds for redevelopment.
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Yeah, well, he’s lost in the eyes of everyone but himself I guess….it’s going to be interesting to see how it pans out, there’s definitely an opportunity for good I’m here somewhere, a real global change.

Was thinking about the rebuilding of Ukraine earlier….it’s going to take Some doing mind isn’t it….might even be a modern day auf Weidersehen pet made out of it:lol:
 
Lord Alfred said:
The nukes issue is a bit frightening when looked into. Apparently the Russian (and Chinese tbf) hypersonic missiles aren't detectable by the US early warning system given that they're travelling at the thick end of 5000 miles an hour and travelling at a shallower trajectory. They've been deployed within striking distance of NATO capitals recently too.

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the only way to solve the Nuke problem is finding a way to neutralize them, in war its always been a cat and mouse game of offensive and defensive weapons, where a leap in one field lends itself to advancements in another, seems the MAD theory is going to be needing a rethink and a long term defensive strategy put in place.
 
OOOSH YEAH said:
I honestly can’t see what we can do Other than what is being done. Let’s be honest here it’s either stand up to the bully, be honourable and probably have our whole population annihilated or make life as difficult as we can for Russia.

Were not going to war with Russia and neither are American so we’re gonna have to sit back and watch this shit unfold.
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I agree. With a paranoid and unstable figure like Putin, the consequences of his actions are horrifying. My hope is that Russia is strangled economically and it’s people and hierarchy turn against him. Small hope, I know.
 
Amokachi said:
He's getting about 60 Billion euros a year off the EU alone for Oil and Gas, they have a few bob under the mattress.
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Yup. By comparison though, skint. And certainly doesn't have the resources needed to "win" truth be told. Still, I'm sure in his own little fat head he will think he has.
 
dangermows said:
Seen Putins military spend. Less than 10% what the Yanks spend :lol: Russias GDP is less than 10% of the EUs GDP :lol: As if they've got the resources to hold the Ukraine for so long.

Lightweights getting well and truly above their station :lol:
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Still managed to develop missiles that the Yanks don't have though. 5000mph, low trajectory, early warning system evading 50 megaton nuclear missiles to be precise.....and they're pointing right at you marra.

"How did you react" when the nuke vapourised you? 😂
 
Cow said:
First off we’re not in the 1930’s, that’s a moot point imo. I’d like to think as a civilisation in general We’ve got more intelligence and a lack of appetite for war.

As for a hostile power invading the U.K., it hasn’t happened, all I know is I wouldn’t want to die or have any of my family or friends fighting and at risk of dying. It’s not worth it.

In the context of Russia and Ukraine, it’s entirely up to the Ukrainians if they want to fight back, they’ve been fighting this war for years now. They also will know that the chances of a victory are very slim. For me, it’s not a case of letting putin win long term, it’s a case of fighting him in different ways….he invades Ukraine, takes the airports etc…let him have Ukraine then the west puts the sanctions in place that they have done….play the long game, avoid loss of life.
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It isn’t a moot point. It’s a very valid comparison - a hostile European power wanting to invade other European states.

If you would rather live under the rule of an invading power, than contest your freedom then that’s fine, that’s your individual choice, but I think it is likely to be a minority view.

Letting him have Ukraine simply means the 40-odd million people there are subjugated to what could well be brutal Russian rule.

I respect that preservation of life is a noble cause but at some point you have to surely ask yourself, what’s more important.

People surely held your exact same beliefs in the 1930s. Would you have recommended we surrender to the Nazis so that no British men died in the war?
 
chrismisterx said:
the only way to solve the Nuke problem is finding a way to neutralize them, in war its always been a cat and mouse game of offensive and defensive weapons, where a leap in one field lends itself to advancements in another, seems the MAD theory is going to be needing a rethink and a long term defensive strategy put in place.
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Sounds as if the Russians may have a tactical advantage currently though, certainly with Europe, and technically Russia and the US are less than 4km apart at their nearest points.
 
englishman abroad said:
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Used to play football for the school against Barrington (I went to Durham Johnston).
 
Kennington Kid said:
funnel them into the Fulda Gap and then use tactical nuclear weapons to destroy them.
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i didnt think it was an outward plan, it was a likely route for the soviets based in the geography of the land & tank warfare - may be wrong but wasn't it the route the likes of napoleon took on his way to Moscow (& back!).
 
Frijj said:
It isn’t a moot point. It’s a very valid comparison - a hostile European power wanting to invade other European states.

If you would rather live under the rule of an invading power, than contest your freedom then that’s fine, that’s your individual choice, but I think it is likely to be a minority view.

Letting him have Ukraine simply means the 40-odd million people there are subjugated to what could well be brutal Russian rule.

I respect that preservation of life is a noble cause but at some point you have to surely ask yourself, what’s more important.

People surely held your exact same beliefs in the 1930s. Would you have recommended we surrender to the Nazis so that no British men died in the war?
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You’re contradicting yourself mate, it’s not comparable as there is a nuclear threat as you mentioned earlier. If there was no nuclear threat my stance may be different, unlikely but maybe.

We can’t say how the people of Ukraine will be treat under Russian rule, we know they were under it not so long back, we know Russia has been exposed for what it is….I’d guess things wouldn’t be plain sailing for a Russian placed government.

So no, this is not comparable to the 30’s in the slightest
 
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