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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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r@mside said:
It definitely would be. They only way to diffuse it is to get round a table or for someone to be obliterated but that was the case before it started.
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Very difficult to believe Putin thought that he was "liberating" the Ukrainians from a regime they didn't want. You don't fight like that for something you don't believe in 100%.

I suspect an ultimatum will be given once all the firepower is in place around Kyiv.
 
MonkeyLove said:
I think a lot of people will increasingly also argue we should just let them have it. If you are not prepared to confront Russia at any point because Putin has nukes and might be going a bit mad then the Russians will bully the West and have complete free reign
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That's my worry. Will our Red Lines become flexible.
 
Harry Angstrom said:
I think the screw is being turned and eventually the Russian near Putin will crack.

Obviously, that does nothing for the poor people holed up in Ukraine but, sadly and no matter how brave they are, it isn't worth blowing up the whole world. I'd give it another couple of weeks.
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This is how I see it. He keeps saying nuclear threat is on a higher alerts which says to me he’s getting more and more rattled. Think it’s going to come down to the final fight to gain control over Kiev. Wonder how much of this is a proxy war being ran by the west. If the Russians capture Kiev fairly quickly that will be a huge boost for Russia and they will be able to justify it to their people. If it’s long and bloody not so much. Going to be a awful time when they get to the city like.
 
Hugh Gains said:
'The Budapest Memorandum was negotiated at political level, but it is not entirely clear whether the instrument is devoid entirely of legal provisions. It refers to assurances, but it does not impose a legal obligation of military assistance on its parties'
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yes I read that online also, word for word.

I was asking what your thoughts were on it?
 
OOOSH YEAH said:
This is how I see it. He keeps saying nuclear threat is on a higher alerts which says to me he’s getting more and more rattled. Think it’s going to come down to the final fight to gain control over Kiev. Wonder how much of this is a proxy war being ran by the west. If the Russians capture Kiev fairly quickly that will be a huge boost for Russia and they will be able to justify it to their people. If it’s long and bloody not so much. Going to be a awful time when they get to the city like.
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Hopefully Russia will be on it's knees within the month.
 
MonkeyLove said:
I agree completely but where do you draw the line.

The Russians are changing the narrative today and startling to sow the seed that the West’s economic sanctions are as close to a military target. If we withhold their sovereign funds In sure Putin will almost certainly claim that’s an act of war.

What if they start to argue the defensive weapons supplies to Ukraine are an act of war do we just stop?

Lavrov has been demanding today that the US should remove nukes from Europe

There is a real risk here that Putin, Medvedev and Lavrov think they can keep threatening the West into backtracking and relenting. Again it’s the Nixon madman strategy in full flow. So do we just keep accepting and climb down and to what stage? Because I get the feeling Russia will keep pushing for an escalation/bullying the West until we have to make a call on the non military actions we are taking

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if they consider sanctions and defensive weapons an act of war then the onus shifts onto them to do something about it

and if they think its further aggression thats needed then they'd better make it a good first shot - cos they'll only get one shot at it before NATO flattens them

and just like that we're back to WW3

cheerful times

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People saying create a no fly zone and backing the press campaign, which it clearly is, must understand that’s basically inviting world war 3.

It’s inevitable that doing it, will result in nukes being fired.

As much as I’m not a fan of Bojo or the conservatives, I think what the UK Andover of the rest of the world has done with Russia is exactly what they should have, and is probably above and beyond if anything.

Stepping in and fighting, creating no fly zones etc. would do nothing but escalate the situation, if gives Putin the justification of nukes in the Ukraine, the NATO states, and that’s us all gone.
 
holloholloway said:
What if the ukrainians put pressure on us and become more vocal?
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Got to be careful with that one, quite often it’s those standing by watching who get it in the neck when both fighters then turn and create a common enemy.

Wonder if a situation will arise where Ukraine start holding a grudge against the west for not helping in the way they want
 
Harry Angstrom said:
Hopefully Russia will be on it's knees within the month.
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All I keep thinking is what happened in Iraq once the west ‘liberated’ them. No power, water, food etc and gave them a chance to get pissed off and then civil war broke out. Have to admit I see Russia not having too many problems as they’ve shown they will throw and weapons at this and kill whoever for the greater good. I can’t see anything but another Iraq unless either the Russian public kick off or get putin out with a military coup. Nobody can assassinate him so I can’t see what end.
 
Cow said:
If it’s the one I’m thinking of he was actually spot on for most of it. The interesting stat that’s going about is how many countries America has invaded in the last however many years. Pot and kettle arl ower
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I'm sure the American will admit to a lot of errors over the years but they never invade to conquer a nation like what we see today.
 
MonkeyLove said:
I agree completely but where do you draw the line.

The Russians are changing the narrative today and startling to sow the seed that the West’s economic sanctions are as close to a military target. If we withhold their sovereign funds In sure Putin will almost certainly claim that’s an act of war.

What if they start to argue the defensive weapons supplies to Ukraine are an act of war do we just stop?

Lavrov has been demanding today that the US should remove nukes from Europe

There is a real risk here that Putin, Medvedev and Lavrov think they can keep threatening the West into backtracking and relenting. Again it’s the Nixon madman strategy in full flow. So do we just keep accepting and climb down and to what stage? Because I get the feeling Russia will keep pushing for an escalation/bullying the West until we have to make a call on the non military actions we are taking

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All fair questions and I have no ideas what the right answer is. It is always difficult when nuclear weapons are involved.

I'm certain NATO would flatten Russia, Lets be fair no country is beating America as things stand, I dont even think China could unless it was on pure defensive terms like we are seeing with Russia Vs Ukraine. However, mutually assured destruction isnt worth it.

Lavrov and Russia are just saying anything i feel, to justify their appalling actions.

Reckons it was necessary to invade now because Ukraine were trying to acquire Nuclear weapon. There is only one set of c**ts going round threatening nuclear weapons.

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Cow said:
If it’s the one I’m thinking of he was actually spot on for most of it. The interesting stat that’s going about is how many countries America has invaded in the last however many years. Pot and kettle arl ower
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Which is a big part of why you've seen the US letting everyone and everyone else do the talking. It's not a winning war of words if it comes from Washington.
 
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