Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

[FootballFan]

Still not enough.

Indeed, not by a long shot.

Disgraceful.

 

[Hugh Gains]

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It's obviously a tragedy but jesus christ c'mon.

She's calling on NATO, when there's no agreement with Ukraine, only a moral argument can be made and if escalation occurred are people not aware of the consequences.

From a NATO point of view Ukraine prevail, Ukraine falls or you start a European conflict?

 

[Deleted member 48161]

He's at the Tony Montana mountains of coke stage

I will pass that on

 

[HellsBells]

Germans paid for a crap load in advance for Russian gas IIRC

So they could turn it off tomorrow? Bit risky.

 

[Scotty]

NATO implemented a no fly zone over Bosnia as a result of a UN resolution. I think we would need something similar here. However I am not sure how effective it would be as Putin seems to be using land rather than air launched missiles.

We need to be pushing a ceasefire.

thats the problem is'nt it

declare a no-fly zone and even if the Russians never sent another plane over Ukraine they'd continue with just firing over Iskanders all day long

then how do you enforce a no-fly zone without either putting our planes over Ukrainian airspace or stationing AAM's on the ground to try and intercept them

(you've then got to think that these would be much trickier to stop than Scuds were in GW1)

soon, you'd have people saying 'you're not stopping the missile attacks, you must do more' - which then leads to attacking missile sites in Belarus or Russia)

and suddenly its WW3

it'd be escalation, on top of escalation..with a side order of escalation thrown in

 

[Lord Alfred]

NATO implemented a no fly zone over Bosnia as a result of a UN resolution. I think we would need something similar here. However I am not sure how effective it would be as Putin seems to be using land rather than air launched missiles.

We need to be pushing a ceasefire.

Who would shoot Russian planes down if they breached a no-fly zone?

 

[southstander]

I've been watching Flightradar and there has been a constant array of USAF and even Army traffic running up and down the Polish border with Ukraine constantly, plus C-130s and other transports circling a little back. For example, there are two Black Hawks airborne right now right along the border.

And that's just the stuff that has their transponders on - in other words, what they want the world to know is there.

First Russian boot that strays into Poland kicks off WW3.

 

[Bulwell]

By telling her why they can’t. He held his nerve. I’m not sure what else he could have said.

I've got a little bit of skin in the game and I'm quite hawkish that I think Ukraine should fight on regardless of consequences but NATO unilaterally declaring a no fly zone is a step too far.

0% chance the Russians adhere to it and then we'll have NATO humiliating the Russians by shooting down their aircraft. That's how nuclear war gets started, I believe so far Putin is just sabre rattling but he's not going to accept NATO putting him back in his box.

 

[gazc24]

Who would shoot Russian planes down if they breached a no-fly zone?

God from his cloud fortress

 

[Az*]

Who would shoot Russian planes down if they breached a no-fly zone?

And they would breach it Alf. Let’s be real here.

 

[Hugh Gains]

Yer. Just mad how you wage war but still do energy deals etc. i understand why but it’s a mind fuck at times

It's ridiculous of the West to be so reliant on Russian gas, particularly Germany. I'll stand by that statement.

The Russian gas industry and infrastructure is serious business, I've been to Yamal/Sabetta a few times and it's crazy to think they have a further two projects lined up in that area. Their aspirations surpass Qatar.

 

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[Hugh Gains]

So they could turn it off tomorrow? Bit risky.

Germany do pay for the gas in advance, they're in credit to Russia.

 

[southstander]

Who would shoot Russian planes down if they breached a no-fly zone?

I did say we need to push a ceasefire.

 

[Lord Alfred]

And they would breach it Alf. Let’s be real here.

Yeah, I'm not unrealistic about possible outcomes here and I genuinely wouldn't rule out the use of nuclear weapons by Russia, maybe not ICBM's but battlefield tactical ones.

 

[Bulwell]

I read a theory that the USA are deliberately staying quiet so as not to up the rhetoric and to allow the EU to have the limelight.

Think there could be something in that, makes sense.

 

[HellsBells]

Germany do pay for the gas in advance, they're in credit to Russia.

As if Putin gives a shit. I thought they were still supplying it because if they didn’t, they wouldn’t get paid and hence couldn’t finance the war. But if they already have the money, why are they even bothering?

 

[Lord Alfred]

I did say we need to push a ceasefire.

On what terms though? The only thing Putin will accept is regime change and a puppet government, and its gone too far already for Ukrainians to accept that.

 

[southstander]

I've got a little bit of skin in the game and I'm quite hawkish that I think Ukraine should fight on regardless of consequences but NATO unilaterally declaring a no fly zone is a step too far.

0% chance the Russians adhere to it and then we'll have NATO humiliating the Russians by shooting down their aircraft. That's how nuclear war gets started, I believe so far Putin is just sabre rattling but he's not going to accept NATO putting him back in his box.

Somebody need to put him in a box, preferably 6ft long.

 

[chrismisterx]

It's obviously a tragedy but jesus christ c'mon.

She's calling on NATO, when there's no agreement with Ukraine, only a moral argument can be made and if escalation occurred are people not aware of the consequences.

From a NATO point of view Ukraine prevail, Ukraine falls or you start a European conflict?

what's your views on the Budapest Memorandum?