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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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Gotta remember it's not all failure for Russia atm. The force who came from Crimea are having massive successes, as they're backed by warships as the geography allows.

They're 1 major city away from bridging Crimea with the rest of the separatist and Russian borders down there, the Neo Nazis are holding are holding said city but even connecting Crimea to Russia would be considered a W
 
coyneeee said:
Gotta remember it's not all failure for Russia atm. The force who came from Crimea are having massive successes, as they're backed by warships as the geography allows.

They're 1 major city away from bridging Crimea with the rest of the separatist and Russian borders down there, the Neo Nazis are holding are holding said city but even connecting Crimea to Russia would be considered a W
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Many said at start this was a potential end game. East Ukraine "liberated" plus Crimea land linked to Russia & a new warm water naval base at Mariupol.

Honestly if you were Zelensky would you take that at min?

Terms were apparently disarm, become neutral & give us Crimea. I might agree to last 2 but in fact get a solid neutral army as self defence force a bit like Finland or Japan.

Potential huge gains long term for Ukraine (once rebuilt) I think as a new sort of Switzerland sitting between East & west.
 
HellsBells said:
Not to derail this thread, but the Lords defeated a couple of things last night, including criminalising refugees based on the method they arrive in the country, such as on a dinghy. I’ll put a post in the PF to discuss as it’s a fairly big deal.
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Yeah I asked the mods (who appear to be asleep) to delete that post 15 minutes ago.
 
coyneeee said:
Gotta remember it's not all failure for Russia atm. The force who came from Crimea are having massive successes, as they're backed by warships as the geography allows.

They're 1 major city away from bridging Crimea with the rest of the separatist and Russian borders down there, the Neo Nazis are holding are holding said city but even connecting Crimea to Russia would be considered a W
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Still given their military superiority they have not yet done it and I am sure are well behind their own expectations of how long it would take. This whole thing was expected to be in the bag within 3 days.
 
coyneeee said:
Gotta remember it's not all failure for Russia atm. The force who came from Crimea are having massive successes, as they're backed by warships as the geography allows.

They're 1 major city away from bridging Crimea with the rest of the separatist and Russian borders down there, the Neo Nazis are holding are holding said city but even connecting Crimea to Russia would be considered a W
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I’m sure we are getting Ukrainian biased reports but it would seem an abject utter disaster on all fronts.
 
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beverly macca said:
Nuke Russia now. While they are busy.
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Ok then, you give the order and be responsible for the worst atrocity in history 👍 it’s ok you’ll probably have about 2 minutes to ponder over your decision before you’re fried alive with a retaliating warhead heading straight for us and several other countries 👍
 
Suomifinland said:
Many said at start this was a potential end game. East Ukraine "liberated" plus Crimea land linked to Russia & a new warm water naval base at Mariupol.

Honestly if you were Zelensky would you take that at min?

Terms were apparently disarm, become neutral & give us Crimea. I might agree to last 2 but in fact get a solid neutral army as self defence force a bit like Finland or Japan.

Potential huge gains long term for Ukraine (once rebuilt) I think as a new sort of Switzerland sitting between East & west.
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I genuinely think the outcome of the entire campaign is that Russia will annex Kherson, Odessa, and Mariupol (Ukraine aren't getting them back ever in our lifetime anyways) which bridges the gap from Crimea to the eastern regions, said annexed regions will become fully recognised and the rest of the areas will go off into the opposite direction with the EU.

Both sides will claim a W as a result.
 
Reubens tasche said:
Ok then, you give the order and be responsible for the worst atrocity in history 👍 it’s ok you’ll probably have about 2 minutes to ponder over your decision before you’re fried alive with a retaliating warhead heading straight for us and several other countries 👍
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So your saying don't nuke Russia.
 
Haway Ukraine, ambush that convoy lads (as someone rightly posted, hitting near the front probably scuppers those bringing up the rear).
Great brave people, my thoughts are with them all ❤️🇺🇦
 
Harry Angstrom said:
Some military expert on 5 live was saying just that. He reckons that faced with a whole city motivated and armed is extremely difficult.
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The head of urban warfare the other day from some major institute was saying even if you have a top level attack it’s 5/1 in favour of the defenders in urban warfare.

Particularly with the anti tank and ambush weapons the Ukrainians have you wouldn’t want to be a Russian troop in that convoy rolling down a broad boulevard surrounded by high rises

They may well strike the convoy with drones anyway if they can get close enough
 
coyneeee said:
I genuinely think the outcome of the entire campaign is that Russia will annex Kherson, Odessa, and Mariupol (Ukraine aren't getting them back ever in our lifetime anyways) which bridges the gap from Crimea to the eastern regions, said annexed regions will become fully recognised and the rest of the areas will go off into the opposite direction with the EU.

Both sides will claim a W as a result.
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I agree and what a depressing thought. Odessa is beautiful. Admittedly I visited years ago and it’s apparently changed a lot now. Supposed to be a bit like Ibiza etc.
 
coyneeee said:
I genuinely think the outcome of the entire campaign is that Russia will annex Kherson, Odessa, and Mariupol (Ukraine aren't getting them back ever in our lifetime anyways) which bridges the gap from Crimea to the eastern regions, said annexed regions will become fully recognised and the rest of the areas will go off into the opposite direction with the EU.

Both sides will claim a W as a result.
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Zelensky's main aim since getting elected has been getting back Crimea so he won't be able to claim it as a win.

But I do agree that it's probably the only possible outcome.
 
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