Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

[SYB_DC]

In the last few posts people are saying about being choked seeing pictures of fathers saying goodbye to kids, etc….what for? To fight in war that more than likely can’t be won. My question is, is it worth it? Is the loss of life and destruction worth it?

My stance is coming from taking emotions out of it, once you get emotional about it then we’re prone to act/react in ways that aren’t necessarily the best.

The idea solution would have been for the Ukrainian and Russian governments to go to a great big clearing in Siberia and slug it out themselves. Leave the innocent Ukrainian and Russian folk out of it.

Ukraine wanted to be in the EU for a long time but weren’t allowed, corruption being one of the reasons. Both governments aren’t exactly great….to draw innocents into a pointless war is abhorrent.

Just about every poster who is calling for action, to stand up to Putin is acting on emotions, emotions of what they’re seeing and it’s completely understandable, it’s horrific. It goes up all sorts of unjust, uncomfortable feelings of wanting to fight back. Sometimes though, the sensible thing to do to win a war is to give away a battle and fight another day in a different way.

Ffs

If the Ukrainians hadn’t fought like they have and had rolled over per your suggestion, the world would have taken it as acquiescence and the world’s big news this week would be about some B list celebrity getting a haircut.

They had to fight to generate the outrage and the progressive waves of sanctions. Which is embarrassing for the rest of us but shows they understand the west.

 

[skullmeister]

How brave is this

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[Horatio Pugwash]

interesting watching bbc news, fella reporting from moscow was collared by police who told him to report it as a military exercise as opposed to war.

As I posted earlier. Ptin may control the state media. He doesn't control the internet

 

[DoctorMick]

I do understand what you're saying, but I think we can and should be better than that. The nuance is important. I don't think it's fair to say that people on here who are essentially just taking an anti-killing stance, are in some way sympathetic to the destruction and bloodshed of the Russian army. It's more that we don't want anyone dead on either side, except maybe the people who are behind this whole sorry mess.

It's also totally possible to wish an end to the conflict, so no more bloodshed, but the individual Russian soldiers and commanders who committed the most terrible of acts to be tried in the Hague for war crimes.

I read an article on the BBC today about how some of the British-Russian community fear repercussions in this country. That, again, comes from a lack of critical understanding of the situation. People assume that one awful leader, with power and influence, speaks for everyone. When I think the protests and social media posts show that the Russian people are not in support of this war, particularly the communities who live outside of the community.

Apparently any Russian soldiers who refused to take part in the invasion were shot by their commanders…I think it’s fair to have sympathy with the ones who don’t want to take part in this fight but have no choice.

 

[Cow]

So let tanks roll into your town square and the boot out your democratically elected leaders? Not for me. If someone started taking the piss out of your missus would you let them have a pop without saying anything? I think your stance is utterly barmy.

I’d hoy the missus out without a second thought and walk away.

Let’s put it another way, there’s a reason why other countries aren’t getting involved. I’m guessing the SMB know better than all the other militaries on the planet though.

 

[chunksafc]

BBC man had to put his full gear on now ffs

 

[Horatio Pugwash]

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Balls of steel

 

[lichtiemike]

Erm, yeah, why wouldn’t I be? What’s your point here?

Point being you’re talking utter shite obviously.

 

[Concordsafc]

I’m loving this like, because I’m taking an anti war stance and don’t want this to escalate and can see that was other ways of dealing with this and agreed with what the US fella said I’m getting pelters from the SMB numbskulls who have played a game of Risk and now know everything

No I’m anti war trust me I’ve seen it first Hand and I don’t want to see it again I feel sick to the stomach. It’s not as simple as not attacking and not being attacked unfortunately even now it doesn’t happen like that.

My comment was on your one post not you whole stance on war it’s good that you are anti war it really is but don’t take it as an attack on your full stance on it.

It’s in black and white thru have attacked civilians look all over Twitter etc to watch the videos.

 

[Cow]

If the Ukrainians hadn’t fought like they have and had rolled over per your suggestion, the world would have taken it as acquiescence and the world’s big news this week would be about some B list celebrity getting a haircut.

They had to fight to generate the outrage and the progressive waves of sanctions. Which is embarrassing for the rest of us but shows they understand the west.

That’s good then. We’ve got some interesting news. I’d rather have a b list celebrity getting their haircut in the news than this. It’s a bit strange that you appear to be revelling in the loss of life and destruction and potential nuclear war?

 

[Horatio Pugwash]

Apparently any Russian soldiers who refused to take part in the invasion were shot by their commanders…I think it’s fair to have sympathy with the ones who don’t want to take part in this fight but have no choice.

Source?

 

[Mackem Mad]

We have our own Dr. Strangelove – Professor Gwythian Prins

Absolute looney. Barking f***ing mad. Kept referring the the Red Army which doesn't exist any more.

Listen to him on 5 Live Drive at about 18.10.

 

[heroesof73]

Erm, yeah, why wouldn’t I be? What’s your point here?

After those posts you seemed to be agreeing they were far from pleasant on holiday later today.
Make yer mind up

 

[Shandy drinker]

Big worry is Russians will lay siege to Kiev and either bombard or starve it into submission

 

[Deleted member 48353]

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Once they’re too many protesting in Russia it will soon be the end

I don’t blame anyone over there for not protesting mind but they’re key to this

 

[gazc24]

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"You petrol bomb them pet, I'll record it"

 

[Ghandi Floss]

Tiresome. Read the subsequent posts

You certainly are. I started skipping through this thread more once you appeared earlier.
This thread is the first time I’ve been on the Politics Forum for a canny while. Daft shites like you are reminding me why.

 

[Deleted member 6694]

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Mad isn't it as the Russians could just pull out a machine gun and shoot the shit out of them. There's a few videos where the Ukrainians have stood up to the Russians and the Russians haven't reacted. There's the one with the bloke standing in front of the tank, the one with a load of people blocking the road making it turn back. It just makes me wonder how many of the Russian forces don't really want to be there or even 'win' this conflict.

 

[DoctorMick]

Source?

It was on the news, probably BBC.

Do you seriously believe the entire Russian army, most of them conscripted young men, want to be there?

 

[Deleted member 43869]

Once they’re too many protesting in Russia it will soon be the end

I don’t blame anyone over there for not protesting mind but they’re key to this

Agreed but that video has depressed me. There looks to be about 1000 people there. Wouldn't even scratch the service in terms of internal damage to the regime.