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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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humbug said:
we were at wigan yesterday and despite it being a great day out it was always at the back of my mind what is happening over there.
been catching up on the news what the latest developments are and the removal from the russians from the swift banking system is the most important one for me. hopefully it's a way to stop this with less bloodshed.
i know some posters on here had reservations but imo it's something that should've happened a while ago.
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As long as it has the effect it needs to. Some people suggested it wouldn’t. I really really hope it does. If anything, queues at atms in Moscow this morning show that it’s shaken some people so that’s a benefit.
 

CrosbyFTM said:
There’s loads loads more in that thread itself. There are videos of African people at the polish border being refused entry. There’s more videos at the train station where it’s just African families including children have been left behind and abandoned. It’s happening. People can ignore it and try and justify it if it doesn’t fit their agenda but the racism there is rife and upsetting when these people will be just as scared as everyone else.
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This fella has been documenting his journey from Kyiv to trying to get to Poland.

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Tadger said:
I’m willing to be skeptical about the way that the videos at the train stations are being used as Pro-Russian propaganda, but to be honest I don’t find it hard to believe that there’s some old fashioned racism at play in these instances. Horrible to see.

The Russians using it to justify invasion though is priceless.
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Just have to look at the football to see how widespread it is there.
 
West_Winger said:
Just have to look at the football to see how widespread it is there.
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Yes but these people are clearly living in Ukraine, a lot will be students. If Ukraine was one massive racist country then they wouldn’t have been allowed to live, work and study there seemingly in peace.
 
Titus said:
This fella has been documenting his journey from Kyiv to trying to get to Poland.

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I can’t believe how many people in here won’t believe that they are being racist towards black people. So many people wishing everyone all the best but at the same time ignoring the fact Africans are being discriminated against. Our country really does have a problem with racism which is something I didn’t believe myself.
 
CrosbyFTM said:
I can’t believe how many people in here won’t believe that they are being racist towards black people. So many people wishing everyone all the best but at the same time ignoring the fact Africans are being discriminated against. Our country really does have a problem with racism which is something I didn’t believe myself.
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If you think @HellsBells is a racist you have clearly lost the plot. Is there racism in Ukraine? Undoubtedly. Does the videos linked prove Africsns were discriminated against? No.
 
CrosbyFTM said:
I can’t believe how many people in here won’t believe that they are being racist towards black people. So many people wishing everyone all the best but at the same time ignoring the fact Africans are being discriminated against. Our country really does have a problem with racism which is something I didn’t believe myself.
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I didn't say I don't believe that there are racists in Ukraine. Having spent a lot of time in Eastern Europe (half of my family is Slavic) I'm confident there are idiots everywhere (including the UK). What I disagree with though is that what has been shared here shows racism.
 
Horatio Moustache said:
I didn't say I don't believe that there are racists in Ukraine. Having spent a lot of time in Eastern Europe (half of my family is Slavic) I'm confident there are idiots everywhere (including the UK). What I disagree with though is that what has been shared here shows racism.
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It’s one of the many videos and stories. You can see it all over Twitter many videos of Africans being discriminated against. It’s clear to me that there is racism taking place in these instances. There was one person who was told they weren’t allowed through and Ukrainians first and then had to stand and watch thousands of people get to safety. There is clear racism happening especially at the polish border.
 
jcrossan said:
What Ukraine has already done is explode the myth of the unstopable Russian army.

It has has always been a collection of strangers and amateurs, certainly brave enough but not well trained and unable to find their collective asses with both hands if expected to think for themselves.

So, when Putin starts threatening any NATO country from now on just imagine what even just a brigade of US Marines, the best trained, most cohesive, loyal to each other, well armed fighting force on the planet would do to his troops. Fish in a barrel it would be.

The myth is done. From now on the old fool has only one threat left. To go nuclear.
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…..the irony of talking about myths.
 
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1/2 German NTV news mentioned that Putin might hold a speech today. He's obviously backed into a corner which means he could threaten the West with everything he's got - nuclear intervention included. Possibly a prelude to a great and desperate offensive before West's arms arrive

2/2 Last night's larger offensive does not seem to have achieved any remarkable goals for Russia. The speech might be an attempt to get Zelensky into Minsk to "negotiate" through intimidation, we'll have to wait and see. Zelensky will certainly deny this offfer to meet in Minsk
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I know David Moyes is desperate to get them into Europe, but i can't see the players been too happy about it
 
CrosbyFTM said:
I can’t believe how many people in here won’t believe that they are being racist towards black people. So many people wishing everyone all the best but at the same time ignoring the fact Africans are being discriminated against. Our country really does have a problem with racism which is something I didn’t believe myself.
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I think it's more likely that people will believe it but at this moment it's not the priority, racism is bad accross and lot eastern European countries as it is in the UK and has gotten worse recently, do you know who funds the hate groups that want closed borders and fractured society?? Russia and China, they benefit from a closed world border more than anyone.
 
HellsBells said:
The state of twitter loons saying that Russia is right to de-Nazify Ukraine when their president is Jewish man. Fucks sake.
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I doubt that resonates much with Muslim communities in Europe, Jews aren't the only targets of Nazi groups.

Putin is using the rise of the far right (ironic I know) as a propaganda tool but it doesn't mean the threat doesn't exist and is immediate for some people. For obvious reasons, you'll find the left making the most noise about it but every ideologue is making hay out of this crisis.
 
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