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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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MackemX said:
Would a bully even think about attacking a kid who has 29 other brothers that would knowingly come to their brother's defence and knack the bully?

If Ukraine were in NATO would Russia have attacked them? I don't know but I highly doubt it.
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Whilst true, and I understand what you're saying, that isn't the exact point.

The point for discussion is - if interfering with Russian aggression into another country is discouraged because of the risk of nuclear war, does that not invalidate NATO?

I appreciate that you could say no, because NATO will prevent the attack in the first place, but if for whatever reason it doesn't deter an attack on a NATO country, then it does invalidate NATO and leaves us at Russia's mercy.
 
Frijj said:
Whilst true, and I understand what you're saying, that isn't the exact point.

The point for discussion is - if interfering with Russian aggression into another country is discouraged because of the risk of nuclear war, does that not invalidate NATO?

I appreciate that you could say no, because NATO will prevent the attack in the first place, but if for whatever reason it doesn't deter an attack on a NATO country, then it does invalidate NATO and leaves us at Russia's mercy.
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I don't think so

Nato members are committed to mutual assistance

No-one was committed to helping Ukraine
 
Horatio Pugwash said:
Every fcker in Pompey seemed to be on the make when the yanks came in. Poor fckers were ripped off left right and center. Back in the nineties pubs charging them a tenner a pint. Taxi drivers quadrupling prices

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Their crews were very divided down racial lines. A fair few of the white lads were quite brash and obnoxious, especially with drink inside them. The black lads more "yes ma'am, no sir' and not great drinkers.
 
Horatio Pugwash said:
I don't think so

Nato members are committed to mutual assistance

No-one was committed to helping Ukraine
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But does that not lead to a contradiction?

We must not get involved in Ukraine NOT because they're not in NATO, but because of the threat of nuclear action.

That threat of nuclear action does not go away if we did retaliate against an attack on Estonia.
 
Frijj said:
Whilst true, and I understand what you're saying, that isn't the exact point.

The point for discussion is - if interfering with Russian aggression into another country is discouraged because of the risk of nuclear war, does that not invalidate NATO?

I appreciate that you could say no, because NATO will prevent the attack in the first place, but if for whatever reason it doesn't deter an attack on a NATO country, then it does invalidate NATO and leaves us at Russia's mercy.
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I suppose we'd see NATO forces joining together and possibly nipping it in the bud a lot quicker. For example they'd have protected the borders a lot better wouldn't they? I suppose different negotiations would have also been held so whose to say they'd have still attacked? As NATO haven't stepped in then it's been left to Ukraine and so far they seem to be doing OK, though they are getting help from other countries by proxy.

You'd also have to look at the reason as to why Russia would want to invade a NATO country. If they invaded just to spread themselved then you'd expect a firmer and swifter reaction from NATO surely? I have an idea why Russia invaded but would they do that to a NATO country using the same reasoning?
 
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Shambo said:
Was just reading that Monday could be interesting in Russia with regards to Swift. There is a potential that it could cause fear enough to create a run on the banks, at which point Russias economy will start to tank.
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Some Russian Banks to be excluded from SWIFT, took a little time but the ball is starting to roll, if ordinary Russians are worried about getting cash from the banks not even Putin's internal security will be able to stop them from creating mayhem on the streets.
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Luna17 said:
Many are Muslim. They went in droves to fight the Russians in Afghanistan. Can't believe they are fighting on wanker Putin's side now after the Russians caned them in the noughties.
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It's a bit of a worry if they get dragged in mind.Crackers stuff.
 
Paddy O'Dors said:
Their crews were very divided down racial lines. A fair few of the white lads were quite brash and obnoxious, especially with drink inside them. The black lads more "yes ma'am, no sir' and not great drinkers.
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I remember talking to two huge black lads off the iowa (iirc) in the mucky duck. They'd heard about the taxi drivers ripping them off and asked us how much the fare was to Jo's (around £3-£3.50)
We to,d them a quid and if the driver tried to charge them any extra they should batter him.
We took them to the taxi rank and asked the driver to drop them at Jo's. He smiled and whispered "easy tenner" to us.

I'd love to know what happened
 
Helvellyn said:
Having gave this considerable thought over the weekend, I am now convinced that provided an act of God doesn't curtail my existence..as a man in their mid 30's I will live to see Putin hang for this invasion. He may , of course, pre-empt it with his own bullet.

There is no conceivable alternative, in my view.
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Hope good old socialist Putin's 200 billion fortune goes to good causes.
 
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