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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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Here’s Bit of a premature thought, trying to find a silver lining in an utterly dire situation….this feels like it could be a turning point for civilisation, once this has played out its course, with the amount of united support from everyday normal folk across the world maybe politicans will have to think twice now about any invasions of any sort….maybe this could herald some sort of power shift, whereby the masses can actually influence leaders to avoid war at all costs.

Clutching at straws i know but there’s got to be some good comes from this, hasn’t there?
 
safcforever said:
Most wars are like this to be fair. We never really hate anyone. We just have different beliefs and different goals.

The scariest part about this one is we don’t see the end. Like we don’t know what he really wants.
We’ve never seen anything like this in our lifetime.
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The middle East wars were miles away with different cultures, perhaps Croatia - Serbia is the nearest I can recall seeing in Europe. The people here are literally the same people, Kievan Rus. I don't think we've seen this predicament in Europe since ww2, although no doubt lots went on when the Iron Curtain fell but I can't recall much about it, just seemed to happen.
 
Wild Card said:
I think social media and deepfake technology have a lot to answer for. It has allowed foreign states to cheaply and easily manipulate diplomatic process, how far is anyone's guess. More than our leaders will let us know.

If anyone likes their podcasts there is a great podcast on deepfake technology and the future uses of it from radiolab, I think the episode is called breaking news read all about it.
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So could Putin be in a really bad way (after a stroke or other illness) and he is just being used as a figure head with others pulling the strings with his "operations in Ukraine"speech being said to have been recorded and not live?

Who is Putin's no2 or his right hand men?
 
Horatio Pugwash said:
A poll released on 5 November 2009 showed that about 67% of Ukrainians believed the relationship with Russia should be a friendship between "two independent states".
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(KIIS), 72% of Ukrainians preferred Ukraine and Russia as independent but friendly states with open borders without visas or customs; the number of unification supporters shrunk by 2% to 14% in Ukraine.
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In December 2014, 85% of Ukrainians (81% in eastern regions) rated relations with Russia as hostile (56%) or tense (29%), according to a survey which did not include Crimea and the separatist-controlled part of . reported that 5% of Ukrainians (12% in the south and east) approved of the Russian leadership in a September–October 2014 survey, down from 43% (57% in the south and east) a year earlier.

In September 2014, a survey by of the mainly cities of and found that 87% of residents wanted their region to stay in Ukraine, 3% wanted to join Russia, 2% wanted to join "Novorossiya," and 8% were undecided. A KIIS poll conducted in December 2014 found 88.3% of Ukrainians were opposed to joining Russia.
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All of which suggests it’s not a 50/50 split at all although none of it actually deals with how the Ukrainian citizens identify.
 
gods_homeboy said:
So could Putin be in a really bad way (after a stroke or other illness) and he is just being used as a figure head with others pulling the strings with his "operations in Ukraine"speech being said to have been recorded and not live?

Who is Putin's no2 or his right hand men?
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Not a chance.

He doesn't really have a #2. He fires and moves them around to prevent such a person from taking root. For example, Medvedev fairly far away from power after he served as Putin's stand-in for a while.
 
billybobmackem2312 said:
Fully expecting to wake up to the news that they’ve totally flattened Kyiv. Awful thought
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If there are widespread civilian casualties then I really fear that Putin's scant regard for human life signals very grave consequences for any type of military intervention. If he's as dangerous as he's believed to be then he will use terror as a vehicle to achieve his objectives quickly. The picture will become clearer by tomorrow morning.
 
LondonBlackCat said:
All of which suggests it’s not a 50/50 split at all although none of it actually deals with how the Ukrainian citizens identify.
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Exactly, even if my figure of 50/50 is incorrect the fact there is a split shows that what I was replying to was incorrect, that all Ukrainians want to disassociate with Russia. Mind you, I suspect that might stand true after today.
 
SYB_DC said:
Not a chance.

He doesn't really have a #2. He fires and moves them around to prevent such a person from taking root. For example, Medvedev fairly far away from power after he served as Putin's stand-in for a while.
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The west and the Ukraine need to target Medvedev, russian troops and the general russian public to get an uprising going and over throw Putin....the general public of Ukraine, Russia and Europe don't want this just an old megalomaniac who's time should be up
 
Cow said:
Here’s Bit of a premature thought, trying to find a silver lining in an utterly dire situation….this feels like it could be a turning point for civilisation, once this has played out its course, with the amount of united support from everyday normal folk across the world maybe politicans will have to think twice now about any invasions of any sort….maybe this could herald some sort of power shift, whereby the masses can actually influence leaders to avoid war at all costs.

Clutching at straws i know but there’s got to be some good comes from this, hasn’t there?
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Probably not.
 
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Anomalous jumps in radiation levels were recorded in the Kiev region near Chernobyl

A few kilometers to the border with Belarus
 
GordonMuchallNo1Fan said:
So what exactly is anyone doing about this? All I'm is seeing pointless words, daft pictures on social media "we stand by Ukraine" (whatever that means).
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There's ferk all you can do when your adversary is nuclear armed and has threatened to use them if you join the fight - on a lighter note I was browsing some sites in the Ukraine just out of interest like and I actually joined a dating site, now I have a chick in Kiev - I'll get my Flack Jacket
 
Cow said:
Exactly, even if my figure of 50/50 is incorrect the fact there is a split shows that what I was replying to was incorrect, that all Ukrainians want to disassociate with Russia. Mind you, I suspect that might stand true after today.
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Yes fair enough the person you originally replied to was being hyperbolic, there are undoubtedly some who identify as Russian (c17% in 2001) and a proportion of that 17% who presumably want to unite with Russia, but again it’s nowhere near 50/50.
 
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