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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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PTID said:
Some facts - Since the dissolution of the USSR, Russia had a large military / naval base in Crimea. In 2014, the US overthrew Ukraine's government, aiming to make Ukraine an outpost for NATO or NATO's interests, and to kick Russia out of Crimea, which is an exceedingly valuable strategic point on the Black Sea.
In response to the US-orchestrated coup, Crimea, which had tried to leave Ukraine and rejoin Russia for decades, lawfully chose to join Russia. And the heavily Russian-ethnic regions of Donetsk and Lugansk in eastern Ukraine declared their independences from Ukraine and also sought to join Russia (but Russia didn't accept them).
This infuriated the US and NATO, which then proceeded to funnel weapons into Ukraine and train Ukrainian troops and also Nazis, and encourage Ukraine to not stop trying to take Donetsk and Lugansk back by force. Years ago, Ukraine also signed the Minsk accords, under which Ukraine agreed to grant Donetsk and Lugansk autonomy within Ukraine. But Ukraine never upheld the agreement and continued to try to retake Donetsk and Lugansk by force.
After 8 years of Donetsk and Lugansk being brutalised by Ukraine, Russia decided it'd had enough and finally recognised the independence declarations of Donetsk and Lugansk, and agreed to protect them, from Ukraine's attacks.
As Russia moved forces into Donetsk and Lugansk a day or two ago, the shelling of those regions by Ukraine's army stopped for a while. That was the first calm those regions had had in years. But then, for who knows what reason, Ukraine started heavily shelling those regions again, and shelled them all last night and today. And this time, Russia's military was in those regions. In response, Russia had launched missile strikes and some other operations against Ukraine, taking out Ukraine's air defences and airforce, as well as other military targets.
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if all of that was actual fact, and it isnt.

Go on then, explain why the Russians have invaded from North, West and south? Or were they Autonomous regions also?

Turn RT off ya moron
 
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UpTheDuff said:
A good journalist never leaves their post until the last possible moment. Probably the people I respect most and am most fascinated by. Absolute heroes and always great people if you ever get to see them speak at events. Simpson, Bowen, Aidie etc have all spoken at the Cheltenham Literature Festival and are always popular.
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Wasn't it Simpson who got blown up in an friendly fire air strike?
 
Brett said:
Madness , get them out as the army is approaching
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That's not their job, it's not what they're trained for. War correspondents are the bravest of the brave, but it is important that someone is telling the story properly from the front. It's why Vietnam such a game changer. The first time the world saw a conflict live.
 
scott934 said:
I think the last sentence is poetic licence from you tbh, don't think anybody has specifically said that. Just realistically as you say, the only thing to hope for now is for Ukraine to successfully resist, I don't even know if that's realistic.
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Don't think this will last long.
 
tunstallhill said:
I dunno, it just doesn't seem to stack up. All of this death, destruction, the political crisis, the risk to his economy and to his country, the untold stress that he has caused himself, the fact that he can't possibly come out of this as a winner, I just can't weigh up what he is set to gain, whether and ego trip or expanding Russia's territory, against what he is risking losing.

Just seems like there is something else at play. Surely the entire invasion has been discussed by his cabinet and it isn't just happening on the whim of one 69 year old bloke ?
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I just think a lot in the West have underestimated how deep his revanchism is over land "lost" following the fall of the Berlin wall. In the 2000s he said the fall of the USSR was the greatest catastrophe of the last century. The 2008 Bucharest Summit opened the door to Ukraine and Georgia to join NATO and he'll have seen it as a betrayal of the 90s promise to not expand eastwards (which was just a promise, never a formal treaty).

I'm not "blaming the west", this is all on Russia, I'm just trying to understand it. Plus a war is a great distraction from a basket case economy, as always.

Kevj said:
What is worse is that this demonstrates why any country won’t give up their nuclear arsenal. They’re here to stay for many more decades now thanks to Putin.
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No anti-US nation will give up their WMDs after what happened to Libya.
 
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Suomifinland said:
I see this f***ing traitor still can't f***ing condemn it. What was brexit again?

Oh yes. Ability to self determine & choose your own destiny.

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In fairness although its 3 years old this independent article was ahead of the game and points to the Eastward expansion of the EU as both the catalyst for Brexit and more worryingly the problems re: Migrancy and Russian security..

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This is from 2019 remember:

"There had been a time when Russia drew a clear distinction between Nato and the EU, which allowed the European Union a more productive role. But security aspects of the EU’s draft agreement with Ukraine put Russia on its guard, with the result that Nato and Russian forces are now deployed in close proximity on what has become the new dividing line of Europe."
 
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