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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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pillars of hercules said:
I get your point but the attitudes of the local population will already be polarised. If the election is monitored and unbiased it won't make any difference if Russia gets up to dirty tricks.

The Russians wouldn't be organising it.

Tbf the one they held in the Crimea accurately represented the feelings of the local population.
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The Crimean Tatars boycotted that particular poll from memory.
 

Johnson: Three people: Gennady Timchenko, Boris Rotenberg and Igor Rotenberg and 5 banks to be sanctioned.
 
parm said:
Bojo the clown`s on his feet stirring up trouble talking of "British interests" , well let me tell that big dosser right here right now war with russia is not in mine or my families interests , as we unlike you wont have the safety of nuclear bunkers etc
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Rubbish.

It’s very much in your interests to keep Russia as many countries as possibly away from Western Europe.
 
Wild Card said:
Dread to think how much money will be given to tory donors/friends if the UK ever has to start building for war. For £100 Billion our soldiers will be kitted out with cardboard tanks covered in tin foil and our soldiers armed with them cap guns with the paper caps that you used to rasp with a coin.
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Corbyn likes that tone of post.
 
bahtat said:
Isn’t the problem here that Russia only has a presence in 1/3rd of both those regions but their recognition of them as independent republics is for the entirety not just for that 1/3rd , fully expect him to push into the so far unoccupied areas. Biden would never of negotiated them away
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We don't know. So far while he has recognised all of those territories as independent he hasn't moved his troops further than the rebel held areas

What he wants is pretty clear - he wants a puppet regime in Ukraine just like the one in Byelorussia, and what he plans to do to Georgia. The problem is that the resolve of the Ukrainian Government and the unity of the West took him by surprise. He postured in the belief he would get his way, and when he didn't he couldn't back down without something to show for it
Dinsdale said:
I was reading the other day he lost a lot of support over the Crimea situation previously in Russia as the vast majority don't want anything to do with Putins vanity war. I think the dallying we've seen by Putin is him trying to maintain his macho but kind Uncle Vlad persona and balancing out his borderline megalomania. Sadly I don't think he can help himself and is about to start a pointless war which will have no winners. I reckon the knives will be out for him shortly as he won't voluntarily go.
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This whole situation is because his position is precarious

It is the classic autocrats problem - he has stripped away any checks and balances that stop him from exercising his every whim in power only to discover that in doing so he has stripped away the things that protect him from being overthrown in turn

Now he is over 70 people will inevitably start thinking about his succcessor, and people will start and think their best chance is to move first and push him out

He has no advisors left who will tell him anything other than what he wants to hear, and he is left paranoid and weak
MonkeyLove said:
This could end now with little more then a frozen conflict.
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That depends on how united the West is and how resolute the Ukranians are

MonkeyLove said:
A lot of what happens next depends on what Russia have actually recognised. If it’s just the small proportion of the Donbas the separatists currently occupy then we could at least in the short term see a frozen conflict.

If it’s the whole Donbas then in Russia’s world Ukrainian troops are now occupiers and the big question is will they defend it when the Russians progress.
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He has recognised the independence of the whole area, but only has troops in a fraction of it

MonkeyLove said:
But the analyst view seems to be that Putin hasn’t spent a fortune putting 150k troops on the border and cost himself a fortune in sanctions just to stop here. It would make no sense
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Because what he wanted wasn't to fight a war in Ukraine, just to get his own puppet regime in power. Now that has failed he needs a consolation prize
 
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Alcoholic_Author said:
I think it’s obvious neither are good options, the problem is partisanship on both sides, some lefties still think Biden is doing fine and shouldn’t be criticised.

Trump is an ex president, like Obama or GWB, there will always be some clamour to go back.
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I’d rather see Harris take over from Biden. He’s f***ing useless and it’s frightening how different the world in in just 12 months
 
Seems a bit of a cop out to target 3 random bankers rather then the Russian cabinet that all supported this yesterday but there was an expert on saying the best way to get to Putin is hammer the oligarchs so perhaps that’s the approach
 
Lankester Merrin said:
We don't know. So far while he has recognised all of those territories as independent he hasn't moved his troops further than the rebel held areas

What he wants is pretty clear - he wants a puppet regime in Ukraine just like the one in Byelorussia, and what he plans to do to Georgia. The problem is that the resolve of the Ukrainian Government and the unity of the West took him by surprise. He postured in the belief he would get his way, and when he didn't he couldn't back down without something to show for it


This whole situation is because his position is precarious

It is the classic autocrats problem - he has stripped away any checks and balances that stop him from exercising his every whim in power only to discover that in doing so he has stripped away the things that protect him from being overthrown in turn

Now he is over 70 people will inevitably start thinking about his succcessor, and people will start and think their best chance is to move first and push him out

He has no advisors left who will tell him anything other than what he wants to hear, and he is left paranoid and weak


That depends on how united the West is and how resolute the Ukranians are



He has recognised the independence of the whole area, but only has troops in a fraction of it



Because what he wanted wasn't to fight a war in Ukraine, just to get his own puppet regime in power. Now that has failed he needs a consolation prize
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I sometimes think you post some weird stuff but I find myself comforted by this :lol: :lol:
 
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