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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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We have a PM in the pocket of Russian oligarchs money laundering in London. I don’t think we’re getting involved. Boris Johnson will be happy to have a distraction from his personal problems and will spend a lot of time trying to look statesmanlike and serious but the Tories are funded by Russian donations and aren’t going to upset their paymasters.
I wonder if the Germans are planning to lose the eastern half of their country in the interests of cheap gas? Putin declaring his plans to recreate Soviet Russia may concentrate a few minds.
 

PTR said:
So this whole massive show was just to annex 2 breakaway provinces, and then it's over with a "hey we didn't do anything wrong really, could have been much worse, let's just call it quits" from putin?
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he is obviously testing the water see how the west respond can remember a certain someone annexing parts or Europe 70 odd year ago first it started with small ex German provinces and that turned out well
 
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President Putin has ordered Russian troops into two breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine RUSI Research Fellow for Land Warfare Dr Jack Watling says the West need to have a "united set of sanctions" ensuring the invasion of Ukraine is a "costly failure"
 
safcforever said:
I know we won in the end but, all we did was declare war on paper at the start. It was actually labeled a phoney war for the first few months because we just sat and watched
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If he was still alive my father would vermently disagree having as a reservist received a telegram calling him up on day war was declared and being shipped off to France the following day
 
Suomifinland said:
Yeah really interesting. End game seems to be recognition of Eastern Ukraine but it's not a cheap way to so it. Said in an earlier post that I think a stealth invasion of Belarus has already been done.
Given Western press, what Putin should do is just move border 100m per day & no fucker would care. Few years in job done.
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I don't think this is a big triumph for Putin. If he had got around the table with Biden and agreed that he would withdraw his troops from Ukraine, in return for which he could recognise the 2 breakaway republics he could have got a deal without sanctions

As it is he has marched his troops to the brink of war and then backed down with a meagre prize to show for it

Add to that the weird rambling speech he made last night I think he comes out of this weaker.

There will be a new strong man looking at that performance and thinking that his time has come
 
bahtat said:
If he was still alive my father would vermently disagree having as a reservist received a telegram calling him up on day war was declared and being shipped off to France the following day
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It’s hard for me to say, I wasn’t there.

I’m just going off stuff I’ve “learnt” from school, read and seen on documentaries etc
 
Astra said:
We have a PM in the pocket of Russian oligarchs money laundering in London. I don’t think we’re getting involved. Boris Johnson will be happy to have a distraction from his personal problems and will spend a lot of time trying to look statesmanlike and serious but the Tories are funded by Russian donations and aren’t going to upset their paymasters.
I wonder if the Germans are planning to lose the eastern half of their country in the interests of cheap gas? Putin declaring his plans to recreate Soviet Russia may concentrate a few minds.
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It's not just Boris and the Tories. Russian oligarchs are well embedded in London, media, property, business investments

It's not just enough to stop the Tories taking Russian cash and influence. You would have to make massive changes to the way money, property and investments are set up, and the Government simply won't do that
 
pillars of hercules said:
Because the other countries within its sphere of influence are either his allies, or members of NATO. Exceptions to this would be Georgia who he's already invaded and Armenia who he's helped defeat by supplying resources to Azerbaijan.
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It’s the other way round. Turkey supported Azerbaijan and provided them with TB2 drones which fundamentally won them the war.

Russia and Armenia are allies in the CSTO. It was Putin who stopped Azerbaijan going further and brokered a peace deal.

Armenia has the same relationship with Russia as Belarus, Kazakhstan etc.. but isn’t as important

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Visiting owl said:
Had a coffee this morning at the local shop and a Russian lady who I know joined me. Obviously the conversation detoured to the conflict and basically this is what she said...

Russia will not invade, why would they.

The UK and the USA want control of Ukraine so they can get closer to Russia to try and take it over.

There are no troops surrounding Russia, it's all fake news.

The west are all scavengers and want to rule the world.

It was impossible to give my view because she ranted non stop for near on 15 minutes.

It was quite a eye opener, I can tell you.

She's smoking hot mind, but mad as a box of frogs.
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Normally I'd suggest that it's not fair to tarnish the people when there is a mad leader in charge. In Russias case they are all mad aggressive loons, top to bottom.
 
Astra said:
We have a PM in the pocket of Russian oligarchs money laundering in London. I don’t think we’re getting involved. Boris Johnson will be happy to have a distraction from his personal problems and will spend a lot of time trying to look statesmanlike and serious but the Tories are funded by Russian donations and aren’t going to upset their paymasters.
I wonder if the Germans are planning to lose the eastern half of their country in the interests of cheap gas? Putin declaring his plans to recreate Soviet Russia may concentrate a few minds.
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I think with the weaker position we find ourselves in these days we clearly have much less of a voice on the international stage.

I do wonder if more pressure will be put on the UK by other nations now to stop the allowing of Russian investment into London and the cosying up of the Conservative Party to influential Russian individuals
 
pillars of hercules said:
We can't fight against a country armed with hypersonic weapons that we have no defense against either.
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Russia can’t afford a full-scale war against NATO. They already punch well above their weight militarily in comparison to the size of their economy. Putin has very few cards to play but he’s playing them very well and banking on the West not stepping up.
 
Harry Angstrom said:
I think the UK is now a bit part player in this. We haven’t the military or the economic strength to otherwise. Germany and France will have to step up.
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Firstly, NATO and it’s expansion in Europe has quite literally been the successor to the Warsaw Pact.

In the UK and US, the right wing media changed around 2014 to present NATO contributions to the public by a country as a % of GDP and begin a narrative of discord, feed domestic resentment and ultimately begin to undermine its existence (See Brexit also).

When you quantify it into cold hard cash though, Germany Contributes vastly more to NATO than we do and France largely the same as the UK.

Another hot take when you haven’t the faintest clue what you’re talking about.

I expect however we’ll hear more of this In the coming weeks from the prominent media hot takers too. Haw Haws.
 
Lankester Merrin said:
I don't think this is a big triumph for Putin. If he had got around the table with Biden and agreed that he would withdraw his troops from Ukraine, in return for which he could recognise the 2 breakaway republics he could have got a deal without sanctions

As it is he has marched his troops to the brink of war and then backed down with a meagre prize to show for it

Add to that the weird rambling speech he made last night I think he comes out of this weaker.

There will be a new strong man looking at that performance and thinking that his time has come
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Isn’t the problem here that Russia only has a presence in 1/3rd of both those regions but their recognition of them as independent republics is for the entirety not just for that 1/3rd , fully expect him to push into the so far unoccupied areas. Biden would never of negotiated them away
 
Lonz said:
Russia can’t afford a full-scale war against NATO. They already punch well above their weight militarily in comparison to the size of their economy. Putin has very few cards to play but he’s playing them very well and banking on the West not stepping up.
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When you build your army to that level you inevitably end up using them.
Sea to Shining Sea said:
UEFA saying they’re monitoring the position but that at present it remains in St Petersburg.

It’s strong stuff from UEFA
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April 2020 - "We will be holding the Euros this year"
 
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