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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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Mercia Blackcat said:
Putin doesn't want to recognise the separatist areas as a separate country. He wants the Minsk II agreement to be signed by Ukraine. Then the two separatist areas of Luhansk and Donetsk with be given a high level of autonomy but reintegrated back into Ukraine where they will hold a veto over Ukraine ever joining the EU or NATO. Two regions under direct Russian control.

It's a bit like us leaving the EU but Wales and Scotland remaining under EU influence and control while still being members of the UK and having representatives in the UK parliament. Hardly surprising the Ukrainian people are so against it that no politician in the Ukraine dare even support it.
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How does an invasion help this aim?

All he had to do was keep arming the separatists, fund the Wagner group to support them and some atrocity or other would have occurred giving him a reason to enter for the 'protection' of Russian citizens. But instead he opted to act as observer to a settlement agreement brokered between two EU countries and wait five years before coming up with this cunning plan.
 

box2box said:
Looking ominous, question is how to create a situation for Putin to back down without looking weak to his domestic audience?
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Boots on the ground or Germans refusing their exports are the 2 viable options, neither which will happen

The yanks are pretty convinced something's happening soon, they've evacuated their diplomats from Kyiv to a city near the Polish border instead after further developments the past hour or so.
 
So Putin doesn't want Ukraine in NATO or in the EU because it will mean Russia then borders a country in the EU and or NATO so he's going to seize Ukraine and annex it for Russia which then essentially puts the border of Russia with Poland who are members of ???
 
Horace Cope said:
So Putin doesn't want Ukraine in NATO or in the EU because it will mean Russia then borders a country in the EU and or NATO so he's going to seize Ukraine and annex it for Russia which then essentially puts the border of Russia with Poland who are members of ???
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Russia borders with 3 NATO countries already.

Just with Ukraine it's a bit like your ex joining Tinder, she's found a new lad and she's shagging someone else when he hasn't gotten over her yet and he's throwing a tantrum about it.
 
Found this on LinkedIn quite interesting yesterday. Maybe some real reasons why Ukraine is so valuable to both sides:

For those who ask: “Why does Ukraine matter? “
There is one of the biggest countries in Europe by territory with 41m population, where highly educated people (35,3m) are strongly motivated to work.

How the nation of Ukraine ranks:

1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves;

2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world's reserves);

2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);

2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;

3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)

4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)

Ukraine is an agricultural country:

1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume);
1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;
3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
5th largest rye producer in the world;
5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
8th place in the world in wheat exports;
9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
16th place in the world in cheese exports.

Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.

Ukraine is an industrialized country:

1st in Europe in ammonia production;
2-е Europe's and 4th largest natural gas pipeline system in the world (142.5 bln cubic meters of gas throughput capacity in the EU);
3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);
3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
3rd largest iron exporter in the world
4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
4th place in the world in clay exports
4th place in the world in titanium exports
8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
9th place in the world in exports of defense industry products;
10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).
 
jarramackem said:
Found this on LinkedIn quite interesting yesterday. Maybe some real reasons why Ukraine is so valuable to both sides:

For those who ask: “Why does Ukraine matter? “
There is one of the biggest countries in Europe by territory with 41m population, where highly educated people (35,3m) are strongly motivated to work.

How the nation of Ukraine ranks:

1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves;

2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world's reserves);

2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);

2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;

3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)

4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)

Ukraine is an agricultural country:

1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume);
1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;
3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
5th largest rye producer in the world;
5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
8th place in the world in wheat exports;
9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
16th place in the world in cheese exports.

Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.

Ukraine is an industrialized country:

1st in Europe in ammonia production;
2-е Europe's and 4th largest natural gas pipeline system in the world (142.5 bln cubic meters of gas throughput capacity in the EU);
3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);
3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
3rd largest iron exporter in the world
4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
4th place in the world in clay exports
4th place in the world in titanium exports
8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
9th place in the world in exports of defense industry products;
10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).
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And the women are stunning.
 
jarramackem said:
Found this on LinkedIn quite interesting yesterday. Maybe some real reasons why Ukraine is so valuable to both sides:

For those who ask: “Why does Ukraine matter? “
There is one of the biggest countries in Europe by territory with 41m population, where highly educated people (35,3m) are strongly motivated to work.

How the nation of Ukraine ranks:

1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves;

2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world's reserves);

2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);

2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;

3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)

4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)

Ukraine is an agricultural country:

1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume);
1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;
3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
5th largest rye producer in the world;
5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
8th place in the world in wheat exports;
9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
16th place in the world in cheese exports.

Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.

Ukraine is an industrialized country:

1st in Europe in ammonia production;
2-е Europe's and 4th largest natural gas pipeline system in the world (142.5 bln cubic meters of gas throughput capacity in the EU);
3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);
3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
3rd largest iron exporter in the world
4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
4th place in the world in clay exports
4th place in the world in titanium exports
8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
9th place in the world in exports of defense industry products;
10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).
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Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe.

When you're behind the likes of Romania you know you're in a shithole.

Kyiv is literally a timewarp back to Medieval England but with Internet... I thought someone was gonna offer is a jousting battle at 1 point when I was there
 
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