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Joni Mitchell leaving Spotify

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pierrot said:
I’m triple vaccinated but I also think people should have the right to decide what goes in there bodies.
if young and Mitchell are removing themselves from spotify isn’t this censorship which they would have written songs about once upon a time.
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People have a right not to get vaccinated, but don’t have a right to interact with society in the same way as vaccinated people, or to allow bullshit to be spread.
Lefty Frizzell said:
I think that if that’s what has gone on in that podcast with the guest, Spotify should either remove it or take steps to point out what the correct info is. I don’t necessarily have a problem with them talking about it on the podcast, but there should be the opportunity to refute what was said that isn’t true (kind of like what is happening in the press and on social media now with everyone talking about it tbh).
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I’ve cancelled Spotify and will try Amazon music or Tidal.
 
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Hep said:
People have a right not to get vaccinated, but don’t have a right to interact with society in the same way as vaccinated people, or to allow bullshit to be spread.

I’ve cancelled Spotify and will try Amazon music or Tidal.
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I am in no way an anti vax person. I have all my jabs and personally think that there is no reason for somebody not to get them. However, I think it is completely bizarre to say they "don’t have a right to interact with society in the same way as vaccinated people." That is completely beyond anything I would ever want for society. More division, tiered society - not for me at all.
 
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Sadly, Joe Rogan will bring in more listeners than Neil Young and Joni Mitchell. Personally I rather keep the likes of Mitchell and cut back on podcast. About 80% are just shite and now you have a platform for to people to spread vile fake information. They aren't conservative or right wing views at all! Rogan has a massive audience who think he's a demigod. That's dangerous.

I'd love to see what the revenues are for podcasts on Spotify?
 
Lefty Frizzell said:
I am in no way an anti vax person. I have all my jabs and personally think that there is no reason for somebody not to get them. However, I think it is completely bizarre to say they "don’t have a right to interact with society in the same way as vaccinated people." That is completely beyond anything I would ever want for society. More division, tiered society - not for me at all.
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Would you be ok with an unvaccinated carer looking after your elderly relatives or would you prefer a vaccinated carer?
 
Hep said:
Would you be ok with an unvaccinated carer looking after your elderly relatives or would you prefer a vaccinated carer?
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i think that is probably a wider discussion for the covid forum tbh. This thread is focussing on media and in particular streaming services. I see absolutely no reason why somebody who is not vaccinated cant first of all be on a streaming platform, but also be able to talk about their personal opinion on the subject of covid. I have already said I would prefer Rogan didnt cover the subject, I much prefer the other types of guests he has on and so would not listen to this particular show tbh, as its not a guest or subject I have much interest in. That being said, I am of the opinion that bad ideas get shut down by good counter arguments. If nonsence is going out on this particular podcast, to a large audience, it will have the benefit of being picked up by others who disagree and can then counter by pointing out why that information may have been incorrect. In an ideal world that would have been on the particular podcast itself, but because of its popularity it is covered after the matter.
 
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Bullettooth said:
Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information. This may be done on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient". ... Governments and private organizations may engage in censorship.

What's your definition of censorship?
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I thought you were saying that Mitchell and Young, by removing their own stuff, were censors. Clearly they are not.
 
Lefty Frizzell said:
i think that is probably a wider discussion for the covid forum tbh. This thread is focussing on media and in particular streaming services. I see absolutely no reason why somebody who is not vaccinated cant first of all be on a streaming platform, but also be able to talk about their personal opinion on the subject of covid. I have already said I would prefer Rogan didnt cover the subject, I much prefer the other types of guests he has on and so would not listen to this particular show tbh, as its not a guest or subject I have much interest in. That being said, I am of the opinion that bad ideas get shut down by good counter arguments. If nonsence is going out on this particular podcast, to a large audience, it will have the benefit of being picked up by others who disagree and can then counter by pointing out why that information may have been incorrect. In an ideal world that would have been on the particular podcast itself, but because of its popularity it is covered after the matter.
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I disagree, if their personal opinion is widely acknowledged to be wrong by an army of qualified medical professionals, and said opinion can cause public doubt in vaccines - it's irresponsible for a platform to host that.

We all remember the mess caused by 1 rogue article on MMR, how many kids ended up dead or blind due to that?

Even if the discussion is rebuffed, enough doubt can persist in people's minds to make a material difference. I have friends who won't get vaccinated because of that doubt, if they die, it's down to the misinformation.
 
Hep said:
I disagree, if their personal opinion is widely acknowledged to be wrong by an army of qualified medical professionals, and said opinion can cause public doubt in vaccines - it's irresponsible for a platform to host that.

We all remember the mess caused by 1 rogue article on MMR, how many kids ended up dead or blind due to that?

Even if the discussion is rebuffed, enough doubt can persist in people's minds to make a material difference. I have friends who won't get vaccinated because of that doubt, if they die, it's down to the misinformation.
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I would hate to live in a world where opinions and discussion are restricted on any subject.

Do you think that this forum should not allow on anybody who is not vaccinated, or who hold opinions (in opposition to that of medical professionals) on covid and the vaccine to be members?
 
Used to listen to JR years ago and enjoyed a lot of the stuff and had a good variety of guests. Stopped listening maybe two years ago due to misinformation and it seems he’s just doubled down in that time. A thick persons idea of an intelligent person seems to sum him up perfectly.
 
oROSSo said:
Used to listen to JR years ago and enjoyed a lot of the stuff and had a good variety of guests. Stopped listening maybe two years ago due to misinformation and it seems he’s just doubled down in that time. A thick persons idea of an intelligent person seems to sum him up perfectly.
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Every time I’ve checked him out recently it’s just been him arguing against people more informed than him and resorting to google to validate and ‘hmm I don’t knows’ when he’s shown up to be thick as mince.

He’s just a bald J Jonah Jameson.
 
Lefty Frizzell said:
I would hate to live in a world where opinions and discussion are restricted on any subject.

Do you think that this forum should not allow on anybody who is not vaccinated, or who hold opinions (in opposition to that of medical professionals) on covid and the vaccine to be members?
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Hold the opinions if you want, but you shouldn't be given a platform to spout those opinions and cause doubt, especially unsubstantiated doubt that leads to bad outcomes.

Would it be ok, if the six O'clock news held a half-hour debate on MMR? No, it would totally irresponsible to do that.

Opinions that are contrary to scientific facts, should not be allowed on mass media platforms. It damages the population. If it wasn't for anti-vaxxers, we'd have rid the world of measles by now, but we haven't.

Therefore, I think the right of people to hold opinions that are baseless come second to the rights of the planet as a whole to be healthy.
Gelan said:
I know, but I didn't say he was...think before you post.
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You inferred that by restricting the likes of Rogan, we'd prevent the next Mandela and therefore there was equivalence.

No one is pulling their music off Spotify due to what Mandela said or hosted.
 
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Hep said:
Hold the opinions if you want, but you shouldn't be given a platform to spout those opinions and cause doubt, especially unsubstantiated doubt that leads to bad outcomes.

Would it be ok, if the six O'clock news held a half-hour debate on MMR? No, it would totally irresponsible to do that.

Opinions that are contrary to scientific facts, should not be allowed on mass media platforms. It damages the population. If it wasn't for anti-vaxxers, we'd have rid the world of measles by now, but we haven't.

Therefore, I think the right of people to hold opinions that are baseless come second to the rights of the planet as a whole to be healthy.

You inferred that by restricting the likes of Rogan, we'd prevent the next Mandela and therefore there was equivalence.

No one is pulling their music off Spotify due to what Mandela said or hosted.
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What about on here? Should people who aren't vaccinated be allowed to post on here - as per your earlier comment about them not being allowed to interact with society.

I think it would be fantastic for the bbc to hold an open panel discussion on this subject. Get a person on who has an opinion that the vaccinations don't work and then have experts on who can take their opinions apart, bit by bit infront of the biggest possible audience. That would do so much in terms of stopping the spread of misinformation.

To think that if you restrict a person who holds a belief on a subject from having one platform will silence them is just naïve. They will just go somewhere else.
 
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Hep said:
Hold the opinions if you want, but you shouldn't be given a platform to spout those opinions and cause doubt, especially unsubstantiated doubt that leads to bad outcomes.

Would it be ok, if the six O'clock news held a half-hour debate on MMR? No, it would totally irresponsible to do that.

Opinions that are contrary to scientific facts, should not be allowed on mass media platforms. It damages the population. If it wasn't for anti-vaxxers, we'd have rid the world of measles by now, but we haven't.

Therefore, I think the right of people to hold opinions that are baseless come second to the rights of the planet as a whole to be healthy.

You inferred that by restricting the likes of Rogan, we'd prevent the next Mandela and therefore there was equivalence.

No one is pulling their music off Spotify due to what Mandela said or hosted.
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The daft thing is Mandela partly got released due to raised awareness through musicians sanctions, ain't gonna play sun city...anti apartheid movement etc etc...all pretty much textbook lefty organized protest....which is exactly what Joni and Neil re doing now.
 
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