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Neil Young taken off Spotify

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Pleased to have completed the 4hr+ podcast of Jordan Peterson - most of the stuff he is being criticised for, I agree he should be. However within the 4hrs there is so much gold and intellect that to listen to it, absorb and only come out with an argument the show should be cancelled is beyond comprehension.

Either ideologues, stubborn or chained prisoners of identity politics, or those who haven't listened to the podcast, can come to the equation it was a net negative production.
 
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poid said:
I dont think that has owt to do with Neil Young like, I'm pretty sure that the whole market was down.
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No although it's difficult to see how this is going to be good for Spotify. There's something happening here, what it is ain't exactly clear. But battlelines are being drawn.
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Joni Mitchell’s oot anarl now! Canadians eh?
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Just needs the last part of the triumvirate of Canadian greats to take a stand. Howez Justin, you could really stir the shit in the gravy.
 
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Probably been covered already but I don’t think Rogan is anti-vax per se. He’s said repeatedly people at risk should get vaccinated and it will make you less likely to get sick. He’s just chosen not to have it himself which is his choice; he’s chosen to keep fit, take vitamin d and medicate if he catches it. All valid approaches for someone in good shape which he is with no underlying health conditions.

He had become a bit obsessed with talking about covid though.

The premise of his show is having on people from the fringes who voice different opinions. Some of the them are interesting and others are obviously mental and shouldn’t be taken too seriously.

I find the militant approach to shutting down anyone who has a different view from the mainstream worrying, particularly with science, a community which thrives on challenge to innovate. I’m 100% behind the jab had three and get the flu jab but even people raising rational points such as the risk v benefit of vaccinating kids are branded dangerous.
 
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I find the militant approach to shutting down anyone who has a different view from the mainstream worrying, particularly with science, a community which thrives on challenge to innovate. I’m 100% behind the jab had three and get the flu jab but even people raising rational points such as the risk v benefit of vaccinating kids are branded dangerous.
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I'm not sure that was the point or the objection. I think it was the message from this Malone chap that leaders had hypnotised their populations into accepting lies about vaccine efficacy, that hospitals were reporting non existent COVID deaths for financial gain etc.

So ideas that covid wasn't a problem and it was a con. Are those rational points? You may say it's ridiculous and it should be ignored but Americans are highly likely to believe this stuff and die.

They could just remove that section of the podcast but they're doubling down on it. It's an act of self harm by Spotify.
 
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Helvellyn said:
Pleased to have completed the 4hr+ podcast of Jordan Peterson - most of the stuff he is being criticised for, I agree he should be. However within the 4hrs there is so much gold and intellect that to listen to it, absorb and only come out with an argument the show should be cancelled is beyond comprehension.

Either ideologues, stubborn or chained prisoners of identity politics, or those who haven't listened to the podcast, can come to the equation it was a net negative production.
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I listened to it all too. I really liked the bit where he was talking about what constitutes success and his belief that the conventional view of success is bollocks.
He is full of shit though and just puts a lot of stuff out there that plainly isn't true (such as the statistics on child deaths due to pollution where, when Rogan actually pulled the stats up, he'd over egged it by x10 :oops::oops::oops:).
I found the bit where he was sobbing about the effects of music very uncomfortable, it's almost like he's completely emotionally unstable and that really skews his view of the world in a very odd way.
His continuing war on 'Lefties' is bullshit too and seems pathological. And his adoration for Douglas Murray is very, very bizarre (the way he went on about him makes me think he's sucking him off).
 
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I'm not sure that was the point or the objection. I think it was the message from this Malone chap that leaders had hypnotised their populations into accepting lies about vaccine efficacy, that hospitals were reporting non existent COVID deaths for financial gain etc.

So ideas that covid wasn't a problem and it was a con. Are those rational points? You may say it's ridiculous and it should be ignored but Americans are highly likely to believe this stuff and die.

They could just remove that section of the podcast but they're doubling down on it. It's an act of self harm by Spotify.
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I’d argue the right thing has happened though - guy says shit on a mainstream media platform which has been widely debunked and condemned by most of the science community.

The alternative is (and this has happened a lot during covid) the same content is all over less popular outlets or YouTube and goes totally unchallenged.

I don’t agree with what Malone said. I don’t think that podcast is empowering anti-vaccine, that horse has long bolted
 
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I’d argue the right thing has happened though - guy says shit on a mainstream media platform which has been widely debunked and condemned by most of the science community.

The alternative is (and this has happened a lot during covid) the same content is all over less popular outlets or YouTube and goes totally unchallenged.

I don’t agree with what Malone said. I don’t think that podcast is empowering anti-vaccine, that horse has long bolted
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I guess the difference between marginal content on YouTube and JD's show is the size of the audience. Does that not come with some obligation and responsibility to moderate content? I understand that what Malone said wasn't particularly challenged by Rogan.

The subsequent objections from medical professionals could never reach that audience. Young's objections have.

I don't particularly see Young's actions as being censorship. It's up to him (and the other rights holders) what to do with his music. It wasn't even really an ultimatum. He knew they'd never side with him over Rogan.
 
Funny that Rogan and his followers are such big fans of free speech that they ate endorsing the one service which has an open policy of not believing in Free Speech and has removed multiple items of content it believes to be against its values of morality/responsibility

I doubt Peterson has reported this on his Patreon though so I appreciate there's literally no other way they would have discovered such information without being told what to look at and what to think, so
 
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